Thoughts on (Rumored) Shard Exchange

I would be shocked if you could trade in any shards. I'm really expecting it to be only shards of 7* character.

Reason why, any shard at all is easy to explote, and make 75% of the characters in the game completely worthless.

What I mean? You have daka, boba, from cantina, sid from arena, lumi and phasma from GW. You want nothing else from these 3. But Rey shards can be exchanged for. Now every cantina, arena, and GW shipments will be used for nothing except shard exchange. Also just choose any shard you want from cantina that cost 8, and battles that cost 12. And everyone would have a 7* Rey in a week.

Now if they do it for packs, then I could see them doing any shard.

"thephantomewok;23888" wrote:

"pay2win;23886" wrote:
1 for 1 exchange of the players choosing past 7*. Make all characters available.

The pay2win guys would have a fit.

They would still win a lot faster.

I doubt if trading were implemented that it would be anywhere near a 1:1 trade. It would most likely be an extremely difficult trade (10:1 or worse)

My personal balance would be a tiered approach

1. Chromium only characters could be "re-gambled. " Basically you turn them back in and a matching amount of shards would be returned. (With a small, reasonable crystal cost, maybe 25 or 50 max)
3. Farmable in maps 1-3 and/or "faster" farmed heroes would trade in with a higher per shard cost. So maybe 5:1 or higher.
4. Harder farms would trade in closer to 1:1 and I think 1:2 or 1:3 would be fair(ish)
5. "Last seasons" chromium only heroes could be traded also, giving f2p players access to some of the chromium only heroes, just a bit after the p2p.

The goal here is a compromise for the players and EA. You still incentivize your P2P because they would still have a reason to gamble in chromium packs and be more likely to do so knowing that they can recycle the unused shards.

For F2P players, they may potentially save up crystals for chromium knowing that it won't be a total waste. They could also farm out older chromium heroes and compete well, if a bit slower.

In my opinion, the main benefits to paying players should revolve around a faster/shorter grind and vanity options. Beyond that, the two sides need to be roughly equal.

Why not make it similar to another game a lot of us play - Heroes of Dragon Age? Excess shards can be redrawn for any toon that is not already 7 stars? Effectively, shards are still exchanged 1 for 1 but the pool is limited to only those toons that are not already complete. This means you still might get the shares of a toon you elected to leave at two stars, but you wouldn't get any shards for the toons you have already leveled to 7 stars. As you get closer to having all toons, the odds of getting shards for characters you don't already have will end up being better because the pool of shards you can get will continue to get smaller. This isn't ideal, but this is EA, so it's probably the best compromise we can hope for.

I'm not sure you understand what the term 'rumored' means. This sounds like you suggesting your ideas of a new system. That being said, I do agree that you should not get shards from chromium for characters you have maxed at 7* and there should be a system to remove these 'wasted' shards. However, i do not agree that you should be able to pick and choose your shards on a freeium game. If you could just trade in all the characters you don't want, for the few characters you feel are 'OP' or FOTM, they would not sell as many bundles or chromium packs. Playing to keep progressing your favorite characters is how they make money. If you could quickly (and freely/cheaply) get your desired characters, most people would get bored and stop playing as there is nothing to play for. Remember, CG is a business and they need to make money. Implementing ways for people to NOT spend money is just bad business. Packs are a gamble and are treated as such. Again, my opinion is that when buying packs, you should not get shards that you CANNOT use (which is different than DO NOT WANT to use).

"Mittens;24479" wrote:
I'm not sure you understand what the term 'rumored' means. This sounds like you suggesting your ideas of a new system. That being said, I do agree that you should not get shards from chromium for characters you have maxed at 7* and there should be a system to remove these 'wasted' shards. However, i do not agree that you should be able to pick and choose your shards on a freeium game. If you could just trade in all the characters you don't want, for the few characters you feel are 'OP' or FOTM, they would not sell as many bundles or chromium packs. Playing to keep progressing your favorite characters is how they make money. If you could quickly (and freely/cheaply) get your desired characters, most people would get bored and stop playing as there is nothing to play for. Remember, CG is a business and they need to make money. Implementing ways for people to NOT spend money is just bad business. Packs are a gamble and are treated as such. Again, my opinion is that when buying packs, you should not get shards that you CANNOT use (which is different than DO NOT WANT to use).

I'm all for the gambling and the uncertainty. Re: rumors, I'm intrigued by what the best option is for all stakeholders: F2P, P2W and house. Also interested in forum views.

There'll probably be consensus on blocking chromium shards drops (and not be able to choose shipment shards) for characters with 7-stars.

Sounds like getting the best way to get rid of the shards for past-7-stars character will be a random re-drop.

In addition to that, I think that CG would collect extra crystals if they instituted a way to re-gamble undesired shards.

Example: I have 10 Lando shards that I'm not interested in. Instead of paying 350 crystals for a new chromium card, make it so that I could buy a new chromium card with the 10 Lando shards plus crystals.

I don't see why that wouldn't work. It caters to the 'low spender' P2W player, vs the 'big spender' P2W player.

"YourMother;24372" wrote:
Why not make it similar to another game a lot of us play - Heroes of Dragon Age? Excess shards can be redrawn for any toon that is not already 7 stars? Effectively, shards are still exchanged 1 for 1 but the pool is limited to only those toons that are not already complete. This means you still might get the shares of a toon you elected to leave at two stars, but you wouldn't get any shards for the toons you have already leveled to 7 stars. As you get closer to having all toons, the odds of getting shards for characters you don't already have will end up being better because the pool of shards you can get will continue to get smaller. This isn't ideal, but this is EA, so it's probably the best compromise we can hope for.

Why don't they just use the new pack formula they just created for HODA?

That's what I was thinking as well. Sort of like a GameStop style trade-in system where shards only trade for store credit (crystals) but small amounts that vary based upon the rarity of the character it represents.

"ioniancat21;36983" wrote:
I don't ever see this getting implemented purely because EA's greed level on this game. Players trading shards slows the sale of Chromium packs and they want you to throw thousands at that, not abandon it. Second, if they decided to create this function, I'm sure they would nerf it to where you wouldn't even want to use it as the cost of the trade would probably be as terrible as Chromium with some 10 of your useless shards for one you need proportions, making it another sucker's deal...

I'm going to be patient and give them the benefit of the doubt, for now. That said, I agree with you in that this game has unparalleled greed.

You guys are out of your mind?
You casino from chromium packs, which gives you mostly the shards you dont need, and now you are talking about 8 to 1 exchange ratio, so the chromium pack in general becomes a 350crystal way to buy 1,5 shards of the character.
You are not even independent human beings, you are EA puppets.
Instead of demanding EA to reason prices you, you just ask for ridiculous way to complicate firther this mascarade. They should just remove the characters you maxed 7* from the pool you draw the characters. In a paper version of collectible card games they cannot actually take out the cards you already own. But its called progress, civilizations move on to achieve greatness. If you so sadistically enjoy gambling, why dont you go to a real casino, there you not only trash your money but also are offered a chance to win some.
10k$ for a full collection of characters is enough. You sim out or autoplay all the battles anyway so whats the point.
And you would think rich people are at least be reasonable. At least demand whats your birthright for the grand you spend. And get a freakin shard exchange, 1:1 ratio. What you need exchange system for?
Why complicate the money equation even further.

$ for crystal, crystal for dozens of useless shards you dont want, then those dozens shard for the shards you like
So whats the difference

So why not
$ for shards you want. Whats wrong with that?

Seriously what you get from luck based draw if you' re goal is the complete collection of chars or aqcuire particular heroes you desire?

I'm not jealous, I just despise how ridiculous your expectations are.

The reason you go to casino is to get faster what you have to work for.

clearly if you have tons of shards left its not working isn't it?

Does Riot games make you gamble for champs you want to play?
Okey lets gamble?
Introduce 2 packs:
Carbonite more expensive - only chars you dont have.

Chromium less expensive - only shards.
The you can gamble, even I can gamble on this model is at least fair and fun.

21st century we explore Galaxy, and you fellas enjoy pulling characters you maxed out to 7*.
That's fun for anybody.
Seriously I don't want to grow up.
I value the resources I'm granted by my parents. They thought me amongst many other things:
Respect every human being,
Value work of others, no matter what they occupation is,
When you spend money, consider quality to price ratio.
I value work of EA, I disrespect thair greed.
I value CD Projekt for instance and bought all their games I like. Beacuse they ask for a fair price.


I sincerely apologize if some whale thinks like a vialolated the first rule.
Maybe someday you will buy a brain and understand what I thought you. But you know, millions of neurons to unlock, I don't think even you whales have that kind of money.
Then you will cry tears, but not salty ones like ocean, rather bitter like the white parts of the orange.
Bon appetite, I just wonder why rich adults even play games. When I grow up and have a wife, I would have better things the video games.
As darth electronic arts once said: "Yes, yes, let the money flow to me"
You're hopeless cheers.
I rarely play games other then ones with storyline, but I really hoped for this one since its collecting SW heroes and fighting battles rpg style.
But You people who cannot see wrong in the price tag on that beauty, you are responsible for the demise of this game.
Beacuss you fuel the greed that Captains this ship. You are like sheeps, indeed. Any shepherd would do, even a wolf.
I dont mind, this road is cool, I wonder whats around a corner.
For a grand $ you can make your life and of others meaningful.
I do so, 50$ for a game every two months, a grand for a cooking course, or basketball camp. I dont donate for charity, but I never refused to share or buy a hungry person lunch. Or to help tend the horses for at a local hippotherapy