TW matchmaking [MERGE]

As the matchmaking seems to work insides those GP brackets there are also guilds that try to stay exactly below the threshold for the next bracket. Our last enemy for example was at over 120M GP before the TW, then during the preview phase (they registered with 50 members) they dropped to 119.7M GP and now a day after they are back at 120.5M GP again. ^^ During the fighting we saw for example G11/12 GK with zero mods standing around, which leads me to the conclusion, that this was on purpose.

"Peer;c-1375624" wrote:

"Blizzisme;c-1375396" wrote:

"dhongshowman;c-1375391" wrote:
@Blizzisme I just went through your thread. Major facepalm.

Yeah, people can't do math...

Maybe this is because your initial calculation is wrong? Or because you imply that reducing the number of active players leads to victory automatically? This "strategy" you talk about only works if a guild actually has enough members with the desirable distribution of GP over players/toons.

It will work for every guild with 10 to 20 strong players with lots of g12 toons. it is an exploit to the matchmaking system itself but I doubt CG can do much about that. The only way to get rid of this is to calculate the number of g12, g11, g10 toons and find a match based on this. But I dunno if that is doable and it might also be flawed in some way...

This will be even a bigger problem once you get banner for succesfull defenses...

If you bench 10 players though, won't they miss out on the rewards?
If my guild asked me to sit out the TW and miss out on rewards, I wouldn't be with them for very long!

"Ariella;c-1375728" wrote:
If you bench 10 players though, won't they miss out on the rewards?
If my guild asked me to sit out the TW and miss out on rewards, I wouldn't be with them for very long!

Yes they will but if you rotate them it might work out posivtive in the end, and you could of course always leave your weaklings out...

We are a 50/50 member guild, we lost our first TW but won our second TW. In the first one we had 41 members play and in the 2nd we had 37. Not intentional as the way i see it i would like all members to play which isn't always possible.

I wouldnt want our guild to win and then be accused of not fielding a full 50 team. We generally get between 35-45 members participate and raids and TB, we do try and remove and replace inactive members.

However i don't think its underhanded tactics and intentional for all guilds!

Weird, I tried that previously but it kept showing up the wrong guild (guilds with similar names).

"Yotd1076;c-1375966" wrote:
Its all strategy from both sides, we just beat a guild that was 105mil GP, which was 7mil GP more than us...they put too many of their best teams on defense, both in combats & fleet...we won by 1000 points, but if they would hav beaten our last fleet (we had 4 ships remaining in zone) they would hav gotten 1150 points for the zone & won the match.

Can't believe that at the 100M+ GP mark a battle can be lost because of fleets. You can only station 50 in defense and that should easily leave enough in offense to wipe the enemy defense. Were they less than 50 players?

"Corvus;c-1375708" wrote:

"Peer;c-1375624" wrote:

"Blizzisme;c-1375396" wrote:

"dhongshowman;c-1375391" wrote:
@Blizzisme I just went through your thread. Major facepalm.

Yeah, people can't do math...

Maybe this is because your initial calculation is wrong? Or because you imply that reducing the number of active players leads to victory automatically? This "strategy" you talk about only works if a guild actually has enough members with the desirable distribution of GP over players/toons.

It will work for every guild with 10 to 20 strong players with lots of g12 toons. it is an exploit to the matchmaking system itself but I doubt CG can do much about that. The only way to get rid of this is to calculate the number of g12, g11, g10 toons and find a match based on this. But I dunno if that is doable and it might also be flawed in some way...

This will be even a bigger problem once you get banner for succesfull defenses...

It doesn't have to be 10-20 g12. That is part.of how we won ours in a landslide. We had 25 players registered, and they weren't able to scratch us. We lost a total of 3 squads compared to total annihilation on their side.

"Peer;c-1375624" wrote:

"Blizzisme;c-1375396" wrote:

"dhongshowman;c-1375391" wrote:
@Blizzisme I just went through your thread. Major facepalm.

Yeah, people can't do math...

Maybe this is because your initial calculation is wrong? Or because you imply that reducing the number of active players leads to victory automatically? This "strategy" you talk about only works if a guild actually has enough members with the desirable distribution of GP over players/toons.

No, it works in all cases where they don't match both the GP and the number of registered players, because the average GP will always be total registered GP divided by number of registered players. So a 50 player team will ALWAYS have players who are, on average, 50% of the GP(which is a good measure of power) of the players on a 25 GP team if they are matched together.

"V3NTR3SS;c-1375505" wrote:
Similar thread in flight on Reddit. I see this becoming a concern. Especially to those in the 60-90M GP range. It is looking like a a gameable strategy.

https://www.reddit.com/r/SWGalaxyOfHeroes/comments/7hmtfr/are_tw_pairings_bunk_and_gameable/?st=JAT7ZPOG&sh=ba848742

This is a really insightful post on the problem. I think the best solution would be to match based on the gp of only g9+ toons (ie the ones you invested in making combat worthy). Much harder to game the system if it only counts your combat ready toons for matchmaking.