Upcoming Change to Darth Malak [MERGE]

"Crynus;c-1835542" wrote:

"Darknesswon;c-1835532" wrote:

"Orleans;c-1835524" wrote:
Finally mods matter a bit more. Thanks for that! Drevan with Malak getting hit by G9 Palp shouldn't happen at all.

Poor whale, don't like having a counter to your shiny new toy , lmao

because god forbid the players who pay money and support the game be given some kind of advantage. smh at entitled ftp.

As someone who put around $4k into the game, and that number would of been higher if I didn't go on a 6 month hiatus about a year or so into the game, I can still say I disagree with this move. I don't mind freely spending money on things I like. That's what money's for. I do however object to it, when I'm tunneled into spending, because the corporation is being greedy. The game started on the premise that if you want to be ahead you need to keep up with the meta, and that usually includes getting the new characters, and gearing them up. Sure np. It's a free game, and they gotta make money somehow, perfectly fine with this. However recently that's no longer good enough. Now they've pushed the envelope further, by not only creating specialized gear for these new characters, but also creating a short term event with no prep time to encourage impulse spending. Then after realizing the shiny new toy wasn't performing as planned, specifically altering it to counter a comp that's actually needed for meta diversity.

Sorry but as someone who supported the game, it's a bit too much. You don't have to be a FTP to see the blatant greed on the wall, and disagree with it. Honestly I find myself spending a hell of a lot less now, and logging in a lot less too. I figure at this rate it's only a matter of time until I'm actually done for good.

This update is for destroying Palpatine, but it also destroys totally my build also. In recent days I invested in my sith assasin speed drastically giving her 2 12+ gears with +6 speed. After this so called fix, sith assasin becomes like trash.

True, Palpatine could devaste Darth Revan team, but only if Palpatine team unit move faster. Faund a way to overcome that with sith assasin, invested in her and now you totally destroy that.

"diversity" -cg
um, you've got to be joking or mistaken. why on earth would you not include sith empire tag (along with raid bosses) from being exempt from being 'unable to gain turn meter'
this not only hard counters palp team, but also assassin, and thrawn... this is not diversity. and it surely is not fun. boiling success down to mod speed, by removing any tm gain heroes from the equation. SA and thrawn both gave turn meter to team, but since DR's team also carries the 'sith' tag... this is a direct nerf to the DR team. its nonsense.

"Tautas;c-1835812" wrote:
This update is for destroying Palpatine, but it also destroys totally my build also. In recent days I invested in my sith assasin speed drastically giving her 2 12+ gears with +6 speed. After this so called fix, sith assasin becomes like trash.

True, Palpatine could devaste Darth Revan team, but only if Palpatine team unit move faster. Faund a way to overcome that with sith assasin, invested in her and now you totally destroy that.

To be fair, the devs were hoping the players know as little about how the game works as they do.

"Ryejin;c-1835795" wrote:

"Crynus;c-1835542" wrote:

"Darknesswon;c-1835532" wrote:

"Orleans;c-1835524" wrote:
Finally mods matter a bit more. Thanks for that! Drevan with Malak getting hit by G9 Palp shouldn't happen at all.

Poor whale, don't like having a counter to your shiny new toy , lmao

because god forbid the players who pay money and support the game be given some kind of advantage. smh at entitled ftp.

As someone who put around $4k into the game, and that number would of been higher if I didn't go on a 6 month hiatus about a year or so into the game, I can still say I disagree with this move. I don't mind freely spending money on things I like. That's what money's for. I do however object to it, when I'm tunneled into spending, because the corporation is being greedy. The game started on the premise that if you want to be ahead you need to keep up with the meta, and that usually includes getting the new characters, and gearing them up. Sure np. It's a free game, and they gotta make money somehow, perfectly fine with this. However recently that's no longer good enough. Now they've pushed the envelope further, by not only creating specialized gear for these new characters, but also creating a short term event with no prep time to encourage impulse spending. Then after realizing the shiny new toy wasn't performing as planned, specifically altering it to counter a comp that's actually needed for meta diversity.

Sorry but as someone who supported the game, it's a bit too much. You don't have to be a FTP to see the blatant greed on the wall, and disagree with it. Honestly I find myself spending a hell of a lot less now, and logging in a lot less too. I figure at this rate it's only a matter of time until I'm actually done for good.

Couldn’t agree more.

I admit I spend a lot on this game also, but taking away the diversity of different teams aka Rock Paper Scissors and offering instead of all Revan let’s make it an all Darth Revan meta is beyond frustrating, I have a Jedi Revan, Darth Revan and Malak with the ridiculous gear required for them but why take away rock (Palp) and leave only paper (jkr) and scissors (Darth Revan) is really dumb when that’s what they are going for.

If they do this I will have to rethink my spending habits on a game that just infuriates me.

Don’t nerf Palp! Or don’t make Darth Revan/Malak so lopsided against Jedi Revan!

I invested in Sith Assassin, so i wouldnt mind a refund, but don't and shouldnt expect one.

That said, Malek comes from the hardest content CG has ever put out... brutal doesn't begin to describe it. Should it really come as a suprise that they want it to dominate arena and not be countered by a lead that already had its day in the sun?

If beating that painful LS path, not to mention having 2 fully-geared Old Republic/SE teams, doesnt get you something shiny that will make you feared by 95% of your shard, then whats the point in playing?

I’m fine with DM rework, BUT the real elephant in the room is Basitlla’s corrupt battle meditation...literally the most uninteractive unique ever and basically brings the gameplay back to the Poe days on who had the faster Poe! And to compound that, the debuff is Locked! Literally hit start match and watch my team do nothing and just die to the same team, regardless of how much more gear or 6e mods I may have if their bastilla goes first it’s a fuckin wrap... I don’t like that brainless gameplay experience and pray they review that!

@CG_SBCrumb haven't read the entire thread, but here's a simpler answer so you can still have a good rock paper scissors arena environment. Just make ferocity like armor shred...not a debuff, but still same stats...then make DR lead state that Sith Empire gain crit chance and speed based on ferocity stacks. Makes palp harder but not absolutely impossible for players who didn't get Revans.

And meanwhile

"Rudra;c-1835665" wrote:
Let me start by saying that I unlocked Malak. So this is not an argument about f2p vs p2p. I am looking at consequences of these changes to the entire Sith Faction.

The inherent problem with this unique is that Malak shuts down a lot of Sith characters just by himself. Zaul lead, good bye. Sith Assassin, good bye. Darth Nihilus in Triumvirate, good bye. Palpatine, good bye. It doesn't matter whether these Sith are in the Darth Revan team or a separate comp, they aren't viable anymore. Any Sith that benefit from TM gain isn't viable anymore. You can't use them even in Darth Revan teams or otherwise. There may be more examples, but right now I can't remember them as I type.

This leads to a situation where a Sith character actively sabotages the faction it belongs to. (Well the Sith did actually sabotage themselves in lore, but I doubt the devs were tapping into that while making these changes). Imagine if General Kenobi got a change where he actively sabotaged half the Jedi in game. This change is tantamount to that.

This also leads to a very narrow option to construct even your own Darth Revan team, whether you got Malak or not. It affects everybody and takes away a lot of theory crafting option. And that is NOT GOOD for the health of a game. What the introduction of Darth Revan did was a great opportunity to theory craft a variety of Darth Revan teams, and not a cookie cutter team like Jedi Revan (everyone ran the exact same comp).

Not every different Darth Revan comp were ideal or the very best but there were options to play around with. And now a lot of options have been taken away.

So to reiterate, the problem of this change and it's consequences are more far reaching than a simple f2p and p2p issue. Eventually everyone will have Malak and this problem will still exist when that day comes. It is not a short term issue but a long term problem that will affect the portion of the Sith Faction through the lifetime of the game if this change goes through.

So I ask CG to be more imaginative in their design approach. We know you want to shut down Emperor Palpatine lead as you do not want Malak (your latest paywall character) to be overshadowed by a meta that has existed for over a year. But please do not do that in such a way that robs the Sith Faction as a whole.

This is honestly the best argument I've seen so far. @CG_Carrie @CG_SBCrumb