Update KRU

"Wil;c-1498290" wrote:
If anything, buff KRU. I have him G12, good mods, both zetas. The best I can do against top teams is time-out. Make his stun undispellable to make him a decent counter to other important characters.

I think this is all he needs to be pretty top tier. There's just so many characters that can get rid of his stun that it being 2 turns isn't as great as it should be. He is a great FTP character with a great leader and his ship is great too. He's just missing something.

"Was_Whut;c-1498174" wrote:

"LaksonVell;c-1498166" wrote:
First off, everything IS viable in TB. There is a need and incentive to get toons to 7* to make TB doable for max stars.

(almost) (looking at you CUP) every toon was viable at some point. Having everything viable at one point in not achievable in a PvP enviroment. How can you have strengths if there are no weaknesses? In adition to that, top tier toons are, for better or worse, sold to us by the game. So dont expect something to stay meta forever. It will serve its ultimate purpose to make way for the new breed of "meta" once it has held the top for long enough. There is a lot of diversity in this game viability-vise. You have CLS teams, JTR teams, rex teams, empire teams, sith teams, even jedi teams, wampa teams, defend-nihilus teams, NS teams, Talzin-Palpzin teams, Ewok teams, FO teams, and all of these can be seen trough multiple shards. Not to mention stand-alone fillers like GK, Rolo, R2D2 etc. Plenty of diversity to work with. This is a matter of figuring out what works. The tools are there, just have to learn how to use them, instead of trying to tighten a screw with a wrench.

Viable in TB? What, to dump into a Platoon but still never actually use? Hmm, pass thanks.
The characters were surely designed to be played with, not simply parked?

Sorry, but I have to disagree with the last sentence here.
This would be a matter of figuring out what to work with for certain scenarios, if not for the existence of a META.
Rather than figure anything out, the META is what is needed, nothing else. Hence the term.
I do not expect anything to "stay META forever". I do not want a META to be able to exist in the first place.
META for specific opposition or Events, fine. META over any/all other team or faction? Not fine, for me anyway.

All teams/factions should be strong against certain other factions/teams & weaker against others. So the fact that a META exists is what undermines there being any real diversity, to my mind.

I will assume I made it hard to understand over the idea that you just read the parts of my post that you agreed with. So lets clear it up a bit...
Saying that something is just "dumped" into a platoon and useless is just hate talk. But I guess you dont do a lot of TBs, or dont do them at a higher level. You will understand the platoon value in time. It's not the center of discussion anyway so I'll leave it at that.
What exactly is meta to you? "Rather than figure anything out, the META is what is needed, nothing else. Hence the term." You obviously missed me pointing out at least 10 teams which are all viable in the top 50. And as soon as a new "meta" emerges, like palp/vader, people start figuring out how to beat it. So now you have a lot more Rex teams around. Is this not exactly what you wanted?
"All teams/factions should be strong against certain other factions/teams & weaker against others." Is this not the case? Maybe we aren't playing the same game. Every team counters and every team has a counter. You are either whinning that everyone is using a very available toon that also happens to be strong (palp) or you want a game where everything you have counters everything that the whales bought.
Not to mention that if there were suddenly a dozen diferent teams with diferent strategies your next post would be "why can't I reach my old arena rank with my 3 viable teams against 10 diferent strategies"

I have kylo masked in my team and i applied healing immunity 3 times and after it was gone he healed up like 30% of his hp and then with each hit

"catharsis478;c-1498581" wrote:

"Pepsimaxaddict;c-1498420" wrote:
I have kylo masked in my team and i applied healing immunity 3 times and after it was gone he healed up like 30% of his hp and then with each hit

KRU heals for a percentage of his max health whenever he is hit, which makes him a pretty solid tank until... I'd say about level 70, when he starts to feel squishy (which can be fixed with gear and mods, but I think he only starts getting solid again ~G12). Both specials also provide extra healing; the stun is 10%, and the other heals for however much he hit for.

So you'll just have to keep that Heal Immunity up, or try to stun him whenever it is about to fall off.

Edit: is the Vell vs Whut debate worth reading?

Not really.

"Was_Whut;c-1498413" wrote:

"LaksonVell;c-1498359" wrote:
I will assume I made it hard to understand over the idea that you just read the parts of my post that you agreed with. So lets clear it up a bit...
Saying that something is just "dumped" into a platoon and useless is just hate talk. But I guess you dont do a lot of TBs, or dont do them at a higher level. You will understand the platoon value in time. It's not the center of discussion anyway so I'll leave it at that.

Assumption, the mother of all.....
I really suggest you stop attempting to talk down to me. You are not superior.
I read all of your post. I did not feel the need to point out the pieces that I agreed with? Unsure why you make reference to me "just reading" them, when my post specifically points out something which I disagree with.
A toon being needed is quite different to using that toon, in the context I provided. Using that toon, in that context, meant playing with that toon, not parking it in a Platoon.
I am fully aware of the value of Platoons. If the toon has no use outside of this, then it has no other value than being parked in a Platoon. You do not play with this item, you just take it from your inventory and place it in another.
If that's a satisfactory use of a character to you, or the devs, then I don't really know what to say.
As for "hate talk", please. "Grow up" would be my suggestion to that.

"LaksonVell;c-1498359" wrote:
What exactly is meta to you?

Most Effective Tactic Available. Not difficult to understand? META is singular & means no other available is better than it.

"LaksonVell;c-1498359" wrote:
You obviously missed me pointing out at least 10 teams which are all viable in the top 50.

No, I saw you point out 5 or 6, which I already gave the same count for, so dismissed it as inconsequential.

"LaksonVell;c-1498359" wrote:
And as soon as a new "meta" emerges, like palp/vader, people start figuring out how to beat it. So now you have a lot more Rex teams around. Is this not exactly what you wanted?

No. What I want is for there not to be a META. It undermines diversity.
I don't understand why you're having such difficulty following this.

"LaksonVell;c-1498359" wrote:
Is this not the case? Maybe we aren't playing the same game. Every team counters and every team has a counter. You are either whinning that everyone is using a very available toon that also happens to be strong (palp) or you want a game where everything you have counters everything that the whales bought.

I am not "whining" about anything. Take your head out of the dark place it's in & look around. Learn to read properly. It helps when trying to have a written conversation.
I clearly do not want the ridiculous scenario that you've invented, no.
What I specifically suggested was that there should not be a single META team, because there should be a team with the necessary skill-set to defeat it, meaning that it's not META. There should also be a team that is able to beat the second team. There should be no team that is above all others, ergo no META.
As you have already shown to struggle with context, the key word there is "all".

"LaksonVell;c-1498359" wrote:
Not to mention that if there were suddenly a dozen diferent teams with diferent strategies your next post would be "why can't I reach my old arena rank with my 3 viable teams against 10 diferent strategies"

No, no it wouldn't. You're back to assumptions again, with absolutely no knowledge or basis to form this statement on. If the scenario you describe were the case, I would be happy with it.
The scenario you describe is diversity & that is the basis of my point regarding the existence of a META.

Sorry, it's getting late and I can't keep wondering why you run in circles.
I admire the effort you put into putting this together, especially the quote formatting.

What I specifically suggested was that there should not be a single META team, because there should be a team with the necessary skill-set to defeat it, meaning that it's not META. There should also be a team that is able to beat the second team. There should be no team that is above all others, ergo no META.

I do not attempt to bring you down, I am merely trying to understand. Where is this unbeatable team? The scenario you are describing as "should" is already in the game. As I already outlined, EVERY team counters and EVERY team is counterable.

"Bestusername;c-1498668" wrote:
I think we can end this thread with the obvious conclusion that KRU needs a buff, add 4% protection recovery for the dual purposes of scaling and engaging OP

Man i dont know about this, KRUs leader already lets him and all FO allies recover 5% hp and protection whenever they get a status effect, thats both buffs and debuffs, in a nutshell almost everyone can heal themselves (FOTP, FOE, Kylo Ren, KRU), others (FOO and whenever KRU leader is hit advantage is given to those who dont have it) or aoe heal (Phasmas victory march, FOST The Order Relentless and FOSFTP omega first special)

"PremierVenoth;c-1498200" wrote:
#nerfrey

I'd think the thing to do would be to go to the new player help section and ask, "How does one take down KRU, he 4 on 1'd me" and get some constructive help.
As always, game like these tend towards increasing player frustration - not alleviating - as this is what turns a % of people into paying customers. The tiniest touch of humility and a simple question would get you way further.

Get off your high horse

"Pepsimaxaddict;c-1499121" wrote:

"PremierVenoth;c-1498200" wrote:
#nerfrey

I'd think the thing to do would be to go to the new player help section and ask, "How does one take down KRU, he 4 on 1'd me" and get some constructive help.
As always, game like these tend towards increasing player frustration - not alleviating - as this is what turns a % of people into paying customers. The tiniest touch of humility and a simple question would get you way further.

Get off your high horse

Said the man/woman who lost one battle against KRU and starting whining to everybody.

Kru does not need a buff. He needs Hux or Snoke to compliment his kit. Currently he still relies on mostly 3 year old FO toons.

"swgohfan29;c-1499123" wrote:

"Pepsimaxaddict;c-1499121" wrote:

"PremierVenoth;c-1498200" wrote:
#nerfrey

I'd think the thing to do would be to go to the new player help section and ask, "How does one take down KRU, he 4 on 1'd me" and get some constructive help.
As always, game like these tend towards increasing player frustration - not alleviating - as this is what turns a % of people into paying customers. The tiniest touch of humility and a simple question would get you way further.

Get off your high horse

Said the man/woman who lost one battle against KRU and starting whining to everybody.

How is that being on a high horse? Rather the opposite haha