Vader is Vader

shirtless kylo confirmed!

"Nikoms565;c-2134356" wrote:
Whether or not Vader "should" be this good is irrelevant. It makes no sense from the game standpoint. Vader is very easy to obtain. The team needed around him to beat GLs is also very attainable. None of the "requirements" to farm, gear and relic the Vader team that currently can beat BOTH GLs now are anywhere near close to the requirements needed to farm, obtain, gear, relic and ultimate the GLs and their respective teams.

Basically, if CG makes GL countering this easy, they are informing the player base that the investing in GLs moving forward is fairly pointless, as they will be easily defeated by original game characters as soon as they are reworked to do so.

I realize that the game has always been at CG's whim to manipulate the meta at their will. This, however, is a new low. And is either mark'd with incompetence or has the mark of a company that doesn't care about it's most focused and dedicated players - be they f2p early-adapters or whales or any other type.

They haven’t cared about the community in around a year. You could even Mark the date when things changed on a calendar.

“Vader is fine!” -SLKR owners

“OMG, Fives is so broken!” -also SLKR owners

"Antario;c-2134138" wrote:
Agree. Vader is easily the most iconic character of Star Wars. He deserves the current spot.

I'd argue that Han is the most iconic character in Star Wars. ;) But agree with the power level of Vader. I'd actually vote to make him even better and move his ever dots to his unique so he would be more useful when he's not under his own lead.....

Vader is Vader.

Hard to argue.

bruh who likes rey. Vader is super powerful. I mean he was Darth Vader in Revenge of the sith.

Ok there are a few expectations when you purchase a new legendary, here's journey, or Galactic legend.

1. They will be meta for around 6 months or so. (Though we'd with two at a time this expectation would b we'd that they would be able to get first but not necessarily meta)
2. They will remain pretty competitive in arena for around 6 months after that.
3. They were will likely have continued use in other areas of the game and be decent for years to come.

That's pretty much what to expect. I don't see where that is any different were with Galactic Legends than with another new character type.

And Rey came out around December. Last I checked she was still at the top of most arena shards.

Even if the vader rework is part of a meta shift and it might be, people have had Rey to play with for 6 months. Ep got a rework and shifted the towards the sith but it wasn't really complete until sion and later trays became available.

Hopefully, the pattern is followed and the next meta is a new game mode reward. If that's the case, then Rey and Kylo will likely be important to have for it so people that bought them will likely get the next meta too.

"ir21tiny;c-2134541" wrote:
bruh who likes rey. Vader is super powerful. I mean he was Darth Vader in Revenge of the sith.

So many issues with this post...

"vincentlondon;c-2134151" wrote:
What upsets me is that 1 hour before the update i zeta Dooku. Then Vader rework came and could not zeta Vader...

Because people regret zeta Dooku?

"TheMaster12345;c-2134776" wrote:

"Starslayer;c-2134520" wrote:

"TheMaster12345;c-2134500" wrote:


One thing to mention. I don't know if this has any affect on the debate but the original trilogy was made in the late 1970s to early 1980s. The graphics in the movies might not be as good back then so they might not have been able to show Vader doing really cool moves.

Fair enough. That's why I don't mention the actual battles but the opponents. Capeoira is impressive, more than MMA. People could debate on which one is more efficient in some kind of real fight, I guess it won't necessarely be the one with the cool moves.

Although Vader lost to Luke, Luke is a very powerful Jedi and Vader (in ROTJ) was able to have a pretty decent battle with him.

Stiil, he lost. So he didn't demonstrate his skills.

Vader should be able to choke regular people as easy as old guys because if someone is choking, they can't breathe or do anything else.

Yeah, the old guy thing was part of a joke. I guess not a very good one.

Also, Rey didn't really smash a starship, it looked more like a cargo carrier that was used to carry prisoners.

Fair enough. Still impressive

Rey also had significantly less training than Vader so Vader would be more experienced.

The important when we compare "who's the strongest ?" is what they do, not what they learnt. Vader was more experienced than Luke in ROTJ, he still lost.

Granted, Rey was able to defeat Snoke's guards but, the guards don't know how to wield a lightsaber and, they don't have any force powers to go with their decent weapon skills.

That's true, very valid point. Maybe it was more show than skill on their part. But she also fought alone and outnumbers Palpatine elite guards and won. That's something. The question is: are Palpatine elite guards better than young luke in a fight ? I don't know.

Force Powers: Equal

In the movies: Vador can choke and use his cyberhands as Wonder Woman Bracelets, Rey can shoot lightning, use mind trick, teleport object (only to Kylo, so a little lame) and heal. Both can use telepathy and move stuff. I vote Rey.

Experience: Vader

Agree, but irrelevant

Swordsmanship: Vader by a tiny bit

If you're absolutely sure that Young Luke after an internship in Dagobah is stronger than a group of Palpatine guards. I give you the benefit of the doubt and offer a tie on this one.


I hope I managed to at least give you some doubt considering Rey's overall power in the movies. (A lot of) people may not like it, but Rey is a very, very strong character in the movies (and it's actually why a lot of people didn't like her. Because she was so strong, even stronger than a Skywalker, for no apparent reason). So having her very, very strong in the game is not totally irrelevant. She not as iconic as Vador (by far), and having a strong Vador is totally ok, I agree on this point though.

She also is really strong because she is a Palpatine by blood.

I do believe that Young Luke is stronger than Palpatine's guards.

You make a good argument with the heal and the teleport with Rey having better force powers than Vader. I totally forgot about the part where Rey healed Kylo during the battle on the Death Star ruins.

So having her very, very strong in the game is not totally irrelevant. She not as iconic as Vador (by far), and having a strong Vador is totally ok, I agree on this point though.

Also agree with this.

I'm ok with the Luke is stronger than Palp guards, that's fair. So basically we agree to say that Vader is better with a sword and Rey better with Force powers.
Did we just finish an argument without calling names or earning some kind of Godwin points ?
Impressive my friend, most impressive. I'll see you around the Holodebate Tables !