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X-Kurare-X's avatar
X-Kurare-X
7 years ago

Visas Marr - the Anti Sith?

Greetings everyone,

When Visas Marr got announced I was very happy with a KOTOR character return to SWGOH. However every single time I use her, it is a question was she really an improvement to the team. Lets not focus on the enormous sum for getting this character to seven stars and thinking its a must for being a good character. Lets just look at the character in the history and Star Wars and thinking if this character seriously reflects the might it should maybe have inside SWGOH.

The character is light sided and an anti sith healer. Now when you use her against various teams (most of the arena right now are sith) and inside the sith raid you will notice the following:

Sith raid p1 - working well (but she is basically useless as all great damage combos do not need her at all)
Sith raid p2 - p4 - not working (undispellable debuffs totally break her kit, no riposte/extra assist/no cd reduction on her 7 round heal)
HRancor - working, but useless as you just need enough tm reduction
HAAT - working, but not needed addition
Arena - here it starts to become funny as she is basically just built around being Sith she is basically bad against all other team layouts

Now lets look how she is doing against Sith enemies inside Arena:
Darth Vader - Force Crush totally cripples her (no riposte/extra assist)
Darth Traya - Leader and Isolate totally destroy her
Darth Nihilus - Zeta unique cripples her (no riposte/extra assist)
Darth Maul - AOE cripples her (no riposte/extra assist)
Count Dooku - All attacks cripple her (no riposte/extra assist)
Sith Trooper - counterattack cripples her (no riposte/extra assist)
Sith Marodeur - special cripples her (no riposte/extra assist)
Emperor Palpatine - If she chain dispells all Sith team will get 5% tm for each debuff?
Darth Sion - /
Sith Assasin - /
Savage Opress - /
Darth Sidious - /

So basically the anti Sith Visas which was pretty powerful in the Star Wars canon is good for:
25% of the Sith raid (but not needed)
33% of the Sith (against the rest she gets destroyed, including Nihilus which only got defeated bc of her)

I am not entirely sure that the kit of Visas is really fitting at the moment. In my opinion she is way too weak against Sith and requires a very good and deep look at fixing her.

In my opinion to be fixed:
Must be more tanky and especially against Sith (Basically she drops in 3 non crit hits)
Riposte should always work no matter she has a debuff or not, maybe even no matter the attack is not ripostable for other Sith like Darth Vader (this riposte even often doesnt work even she is not debuffed and the attack is riposteable)
And thats the very minimum :-)

Please make her the hero in the galaxy she deserves to be!
  • Vettes4Fetts's avatar
    Vettes4Fetts
    7 years ago
    At the very least, remove the debuffed restriction from her zeta ability. Making it viable against a single faction is balance enough. Also, it may make the inevitable Traya wave a little less forboding.
  • X-Kurare-X's avatar
    X-Kurare-X
    7 years ago
    Thanks. Its posted (by multiple people) and nothing moved. Thats why in forum it may help. So its the system of "if you cant get through the door you try to get through the window".

    If you keep silent nothing moves ever in business. I hope for your understanding! :)
  • CCyrilS's avatar
    CCyrilS
    7 years ago
    Ive been using her very successfully in arena in place of g12 shoretrooper. Also, if you use her assists with magma hitting deathmark in p1 she is amazing!
  • CCyrilS's avatar
    CCyrilS
    7 years ago
    "Vettes4Fetts2;c-1529853" wrote:
    At the very least, remove the debuffed restriction from her zeta ability. Making it viable against a single faction is balance enough. Also, it may make the inevitable Traya wave a little less forboding.


    I wouldn't mind this one bit! Or at least don't count pain or isolation as a qualifying debuff.
  • X-Kurare-X's avatar
    X-Kurare-X
    7 years ago
    Shore starts with taunt and buffs crit immunity + aoe heal. Her heal triggers all riposting character and mostly ends up being less health than you started with (which makes not that much of a sense).
    Her being useful inside one raid in a single phase doesnt make her a good character neither apparently...
    At the moment I do not see her as being anti sith - there exist other and better options for any team and this makes her kit just not adjusted correctly. She fits to the sith raid patch - could be a lot better if thought till the very end :-)

    However its never too late to make the right changes! :smiley:
  • X-Kurare-X's avatar
    X-Kurare-X
    7 years ago
    My suggested changes:

    Telekinetic Blast
    Deal Physical damage to target enemy and dispel all debuffs on Visas and another random debuffed ally. If the target is Sith, Visas Marr and her lowest-Health ally also recover 15% Max Health. If any debuffs were dispelled, reduce the cooldown of Dark Healing by 1. If the enemy is a Sith the health gain will be trippled.

    Dark Healing
    Deal Physical damage to all enemies. All allies gain Health Steal Up for 1 turn and recover Health equal to 35% of Visas Marr's Max Health. If Visas Marr is at full Health after using this ability, revive a random defeated ally at 50% Health. If the target is Sith, they will be inflicted by Daze before the attack.

    Piercing Strike
    Deal Physical damage to target enemy and grant all allies Defense Penetration Up for 2 turns. This attack ignores Protection. If the enemy is a member of the Sith Triumphirate (Darth Traya, Darth Sion and Darth Nihilus) the target will be inflicted by fracture. This attack cant be resisted or evaded.

    Returned to the Light
    While Visas Marr has no debuffs, she has +100% Counter Chance and a 60% chance to Assist when another ally attacks Sith enemies once per turn.

    That would be anti Sith and suit her accomplishments in Star Wars :-)
  • ArchlordCalasta's avatar
    ArchlordCalasta
    7 years ago
    "XKurareX;c-1536230" wrote:

    Returned to the Light
    While Visas Marr has no debuffs, she has +100% Counter Chance and a 60% chance to Assist when another ally attacks Sith enemies once per turn.


    I think that it would be more prudent to add: While Visas Marr has no debuffs, she has +100% Counter Chance and a 60% chance to Assist when another ally attacks Sith enemies. Whenever Visas suffers a debuff, she has a 55% chance to Dispel it and gain the opposite buff for 2 turns.
  • X-Kurare-X's avatar
    X-Kurare-X
    7 years ago
    Anything that would make her riposte attack actually work also in raid p2-p4 would be useful. Also against other Sith that would make just sense that she actually acts and not simply get stacked with dots and dies before doing anything at all.
  • X-Kurare-X's avatar
    X-Kurare-X
    7 years ago
    Nothing is better than mighty Visas is dieing before she even can act. Thanks to dots which she cant reply to - than she just gets random aoe attacks and dies like a useless dog. Her full mechanic is rubbish and doesnt work outside of p1 sith raid. Very poor design - and no devs are even trying to fix something. Neither in the rubbish time sink raid nor mechanic of a char which costs more than 5 full games.

    /cheers
  • X-Kurare-X's avatar
    X-Kurare-X
    7 years ago
    Interesting article - thank you for linking it! She certainly needs to be upgraded in either way be it herself or with a group symbiosis. I really love her character, so I hope for the best :-)

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