What is with these matchups?

You mean like this guild matchup? Silly me, they outgun us by 37 mil gp and have Legendaries and we have none, guess silly ol me doesn’t know any better....

We did in fact win the last one because they did not attack, however, the one before that we were hit with 2 SLKR and 3 Rey. By all the ‘logic and reasoning’ I see here we are just stupid, don’t understand how things work, just complain.... well yeah, I’m complaining that no matter how we progress, we always seem to get matched against guilds that have higher gp, more 13s, more relics, and we have had several battles where we got to be up close and personal with Legendaries. So, no matter how you try to rationalize this, things are wrong. Why don’t you joining us for a few TWs and maybe you can edjumicate us unintelligent gelflings who can’t understand the concept of why getting slaughtered by legendaries is okay, when we have none.

Really getting tired of these pompous self inflated egos who try to explain the imbalances. This is like trying to pick up a t*rd by the clean end, it just doesn’t wash.

Do you really think it matters how many sign up against us when we go 21 battles against SLKR and can’t touch it? We live on different planets my friend.

My apologies, I don’t mean to be snarky, just frustrated

We had passenger issues like every guild, but we give them a couple of warnings before the boot.
I’m trying to rationalize it like this: you and I are matched individually. We both have 3.5 gp, however, you have way more 13s than I do, but I have one or two legendaries and you don’t, so gp wise that brings us on a similar level with gp. We ran into some legendaries in a past TW, but they had fewer players than we did who enlisted. So even though we outnumbered them, they won simply by having legendaries that we could not drop.

This TW just ended, we again lost, but it felt like more of a fair fight, so I have no issues with that. I understand matches are not based on guild GP, but rather more towards the GP of those who enlisted. But if 45 of 50 on our side enlist, and only 10 opposition enlist who have 2 legendaries, they will win simply by parking the show stoppers in the 1st Column

"Rckhnd;c-2166909" wrote:

This TW just ended, we again lost, but it felt like more of a fair fight, so I have no issues with that. I understand matches are not based on guild GP, but rather more towards the GP of those who enlisted. But if 45 of 50 on our side enlist, and only 10 opposition enlist who have 2 legendaries, they will win simply by parking the show stoppers in the 1st Column

A guild needs at least 25 sign-ups to participate in TW. If less members sign up, they don't get to play the TW.

You do know, that there are NON-GL counters to GLs, right?

It looks like you need to cut the deadweight. Ask your guildies to not sign up for TW unless the participate actively. If they don't contribute actively to your TW, they will hurt your chances to win.

I just really wish they would update there logic on TW matchmaking to include GL's; 1 vs 21 GL's this round.. Any guess which guild got massacred?

I believe the minimum amount of people for sign up at a particular gp level should go up to around 40. For eg if u are a guild 180 mil plus u must have 40 people sign up. It will stop the sandbagging stuff that is happening. My guild has it this tw. We are a 180 mil guild going up against a 230 mil guild. That shouldn't happen. Yes they have less people sign up but that is their advantage because the game takes their numbers into account so less placement. Its totally unfair. @CG_SBCrumb . This is very discouraging. Oh and before some idiot says 'well maybe your complaining coz your gonna lose. All u guys do is complain coz u lost" ..Idiot our guild is 103-3 in tw.

"Liklik113;c-2171422" wrote:
I believe the minimum amount of people for sign up at a particular gp level should go up to around 40. For eg if u are a guild 180 mil plus u must have 40 people sign up. It will stop the sandbagging stuff that is happening. My guild has it this tw. We are a 180 mil guild going up against a 230 mil guild. That shouldn't happen. Yes they have less people sign up but that is their advantage because the game takes their numbers into account so less placement. Its totally unfair. @CG_SBCrumb . This is very discouraging. Oh and before some **** says 'well maybe your complaining coz your gonna lose. All u guys do is complain coz u lost" ..**** our guild is 103-3 in tw.

Unfortunately players cant always play and not forcing joining was one of the best moves they made when introducing this game mode for that exact reason.

They absolutely should look into this and make some changes, I dont think that is the one they should make.

Always resorting to calling it sandbagging like it's an intentional action is not helpful to the conversation, and you should always strive to be accurate int the description of the events. You have never had a 180v230, because that's not how the matchmaking works. The matches have been based on the GP of the players who join, and those numbers are very close.

"Kyno;c-2171479" wrote:

"Liklik113;c-2171422" wrote:
I believe the minimum amount of people for sign up at a particular gp level should go up to around 40. For eg if u are a guild 180 mil plus u must have 40 people sign up. It will stop the sandbagging stuff that is happening. My guild has it this tw. We are a 180 mil guild going up against a 230 mil guild. That shouldn't happen. Yes they have less people sign up but that is their advantage because the game takes their numbers into account so less placement. Its totally unfair. @CG_SBCrumb . This is very discouraging. Oh and before some **** says 'well maybe your complaining coz your gonna lose. All u guys do is complain coz u lost" ..**** our guild is 103-3 in tw.

Unfortunately players cant always play and not forcing joining was one of the best moves they made when introducing this game mode for that exact reason.

They absolutely should look into this and make some changes, I dont think that is the one they should make.

Always resorting to calling it sandbagging like it's an intentional action is not helpful to the conversation, and you should always strive to be accurate int the description of the events. You have never had a 180v230, because that's not how the matchmaking works. The matches have been based on the GP of the players who join, and those numbers are very close.

I did say they have less people that have signed up.34 to be exact while we have 47. That means 17 teams per zone. The problem is (and yes i did read u mention that their needs to be a change) and ask any guild leader this. Would u rather have 10 5mil accounts that are experienced and have had years to build a strong roster or 20 new guy at 2 mil who are still devoloping their rosters with most likely one decent team and no chance of having a gl. Our guild has 6 Gl's just in case someone says get more Gl's. Look if someone is around our guild size and beats us coz they are more focused good luck to them but if Maw for eg has only 25 people join and that means their total gp of people who join matches ours is it a fair matchup? They will out gun us easy. Oh and yes i know there are more factors considered in a matchup but as u have alluded to kyno that is not always the case.

I think the point was limit yourself to facts instead of saying statements you now admit were misleading (your 180 mil gp was not matched up against 230 mil gp), The factual statement would be that your 180 mil gp was matched against 180 mil gp of a 230 mil gp which gives them a higher average gp and by logical extension a much better chance of having top end, top relic squads which can only be beaten by a very small number of possible squads. And players at a lower average gp are less likely to have the required characters at the required gear level to match up.

And avoid going into unprovable conjecture on motivations. And lastly when coming up with solutions try to find one that is better then the current as opposed to one that is just as bad but hoses a different group of players. These kind of statements and ideas cause you to lose support and not be taken seriously. And TW matchmaking does have some legit issues that lots of people would love to see addressed. So instead try it like this:

Matchmaking based purely on signed up gp is not as even as it appears on the surface. In an extreme example 50 3 mil gp rosters sign up = 180 mil gp. They potentially could be matched up against 25 6 mil gp rosters =180 mil gp. This matchup will not be even as those 6 mil point rosters will have a much higher proportion of top end, high relic teams. And high end, high relic teams can't be beaten by throwing millions of random gp at them. This creates very lopsided and not enjoyable Territory Wars.

An idea that could alleviate this is to use a two layer matchmaking system. First use the current matchmaking system to break guilds into their gp brackets. Then run a second matchmaking within each bracket to match by enrolled player count. This way matchups will be very similar in total gp and average gp per player.