Which of the two are a more effective counter to a Zaul team

Zihilus led full sith team lacks cleansing imo, assuming you run savage, else you're extremely vulnerable to zaul teams with kylo or Sidious

Currently, the faster Zaul team will almost always win.

In theory, Nihilus should also be an effective counter since he prevents his Sith teammates from critting, which in turn reduces how often his Zaul opponents will stealth/gain TM. In practice, I'm not sure how well this will actually work since no one on my shard runs a Nihilus lead and I haven't bothered to zeta him yet.

"phroxenphyre;1009521" wrote:
Currently, the faster Zaul team will almost always win.

In theory, Nihilus should also be an effective counter since he prevents his Sith teammates from critting, which in turn reduces how often his Zaul opponents will stealth/gain TM. In practice, I'm not sure how well this will actually work since no one on my shard runs a Nihilus lead and I haven't bothered to zeta him yet.

That's what I'm wondering ... Not sure if anyone here has experienced that and have some kind of reference point to share

"phroxenphyre;1009521" wrote:
Currently, the faster Zaul team will almost always win.

In theory, Nihilus should also be an effective counter since he prevents his Sith teammates from critting, which in turn reduces how often his Zaul opponents will stealth/gain TM. In practice, I'm not sure how well this will actually work since no one on my shard runs a Nihilus lead and I haven't bothered to zeta him yet.

Zaul squad will still dodge, and they'll be faster to start and will most likely have Nihilus in there to reduce cooldowns before the Nihilus led team moves. Might work well on Offense, but it will drop to Zaul squads far more than an even faster Zaul squad would.

There's a guy in my shard who uses a Nihilus lead sith team. He changed from Maul lead. Top level squad - all zetas on Nihilus, Dooku and Savage, and he has 7* DN, SAss and STrooper. I still beat it with my Maul lead, and I'd say it is about the same difficulty as when he had Maul lead himself. Maybe the Nihilus lead causes more trouble for all the Rex/GK squads but I haven't found them especially difficult either. On defence he seems to fare about the same as me.

Faster zaul.

On my shard, no doubt, the DN squad would be better. My entire top 20 is currently using rex or zaul leads, and many of them also have chaze and GK. I run zaul, zavage, zDooku, Sid, and palp in my squad, and even with all that heal block, I still lose very often.

Faster Maul team will probably still lose on defence to the slower Maul team as well, based on my experience. I'd say your two options are about equal.

As long as your Maul / Nihilus team has zSavage and S Assassin then you should do fine against anything.

I would imagine that on your first turn you use an aoe attack that gets dodged and the enemy gets enough tm to bring them up to 100% as well. Then it's just a coin flip on who gets to go next, even though all your toons were there first.

Vessaharja, you probably just need better mods. Do you have zSavage and Sith Assassin? If so, and the mods are right, your squad should survive well enough to get back on top even if it is a bit slower.