Zetas Crunch

"Olddumper;c-2448875" wrote:
I think there isn’t a zeta crunch. You get about 5 zeta’s a month,

How did you come up with this number ? 6 per week with challenges, so about 25, about 20 per month with fleet money for top 50, about 9 per months with gac, maybe 4 per month from nightsisters/ewoks event, rounding up for a total of 60 mats per month… what am I forgetting to get to 100 zeta mats per month ?

"Starslayer;c-2448906" wrote:

"Olddumper;c-2448875" wrote:
I think there isn’t a zeta crunch. You get about 5 zeta’s a month,

How did you come up with this number ? 6 per week with challenges, so about 25, about 20 per month with fleet money for top 50, about 9 per months with gac, maybe 4 per month from nightsisters/ewoks event, rounding up for a total of 60 mats per month… what am I forgetting to get to 100 zeta mats per month ?

Conquest & TW reward zeta material. You can get some with MK3 currency. Get some in the monthly calendar and bonus calendar. Get some in Assault Battles.

"Starslayer;c-2448906" wrote:

"Olddumper;c-2448875" wrote:
I think there isn’t a zeta crunch. You get about 5 zeta’s a month,

How did you come up with this number ? 6 per week with challenges, so about 25, about 20 per month with fleet money for top 50, about 9 per months with gac, maybe 4 per month from nightsisters/ewoks event, rounding up for a total of 60 mats per month… what am I forgetting to get to 100 zeta mats per month ?

TW and a few other things. I think the real number is closer to 90 but I just rounded up.

"Starslayer;c-2448906" wrote:

"Olddumper;c-2448875" wrote:
I think there isn’t a zeta crunch. You get about 5 zeta’s a month,

How did you come up with this number ? 6 per week with challenges, so about 25, about 20 per month with fleet money for top 50, about 9 per months with gac, maybe 4 per month from nightsisters/ewoks event, rounding up for a total of 60 mats per month… what am I forgetting to get to 100 zeta mats per month ?

The number you’ll get from GAC is about half that actually. 9 would be the max if you won every possible battle as they only go out in the bracket rewards, so let’s be generous and say it’s 5 as they run slightly more than monthly with the four week cadence. Assault battles, assuming they all ran every month would be an extra 14 monthly. There’s 5 from conquest and a possible 12 if you win all TWs in the top tier. And maybe another 8-10 from raid 3 if you spend all of it on zetas. If there’s another 5 (maybe as an absolute max) in calendars that would take it to about 90 it would seem as a max.

So fair enough CG, and I’ll be adjusting my outlook, maybe the zeta economy is just about right. So far this year there’s been an extra 860 mats worth of zetas added to the game and in that time a player could be earning around 1000. It’s not a big surplus, particularly for newer players who can’t earn as many zetas due to events being locked or their smaller rosters, but the potential is there for a player to get every zeta ftp and catch up, it just might take a while.

"Notthatguyfrombefore;c-2448950" wrote:

"Starslayer;c-2448906" wrote:

"Olddumper;c-2448875" wrote:
I think there isn’t a zeta crunch. You get about 5 zeta’s a month,

How did you come up with this number ? 6 per week with challenges, so about 25, about 20 per month with fleet money for top 50, about 9 per months with gac, maybe 4 per month from nightsisters/ewoks event, rounding up for a total of 60 mats per month… what am I forgetting to get to 100 zeta mats per month ?

The number you’ll get from GAC is about half that actually. 9 would be the max if you won every possible battle as they only go out in the bracket rewards, so let’s be generous and say it’s 5 as they run slightly more than monthly with the four week cadence. Assault battles, assuming they all ran every month would be an extra 14 monthly. There’s 5 from conquest and a possible 12 if you win all TWs in the top tier. And maybe another 8-10 from raid 3 if you spend all of it on zetas. If there’s another 5 (maybe as an absolute max) in calendars that would take it to about 90 it would seem as a max.

So fair enough CG, and I’ll be adjusting my outlook, maybe the zeta economy is just about right. So far this year there’s been an extra 860 mats worth of zetas added to the game and in that time a player could be earning around 1000. It’s not a big surplus, particularly for newer players who can’t earn as many zetas due to events being locked or their smaller rosters, but the potential is there for a player to get every zeta ftp and catch up, it just might take a while.

Thanks for the help (thanks LordDirt too) !

So we have, per year:

challenges: 52x6 = 312
fleet money: considering 1300 for tp 50: 1300x365/2000= 237
GAC: 1,5 per round on average x 39 rounds per year = 59
Asault battle: 14x12 = 168
Conquest: 5x12 = 60
TW (if you're at least in a 120m guild, a little less if not): 2.5x4x12 = 120
Heroic events (endor+dathomir): 5x12 = 60
Calendars: let's say 3x12 = 36

For a total of 1052 per year (pretty close to 90 per month Olddumper). I aim for about right, not exactly right. Please correct my math if needed.

You counted 860 mats needed this year. The year is not finished, but chances are slim that we'll need 10 zetas from now to december.

So if you're a seasoned player (able to complete pve events that give you those sweet zetas and using your fleet money on zetas because you already 7* everything in the fleet shop) and zeta every new character coming to the game, you gain on average an extra 200 zetas mats per year (minus what will be needed on new characters coming to the game by the end of december) to gear old characters in your roster.

But if you're not a seasoned player yet, you have more zetas to apply and less zeta income. Good news: don't worry, it'll get better. Eventually.

Same advice as always: work on your resource engine first, which is pve. It's easier than climbing the ranks in gac and give you a steady resource income.


PS: I chose not to count Mk3 as it's just a shame not to spend it on relic materials.

Edit: just realised I wrote what you basically wrote in your post. Oh well.

All these maths attempting to determine if endgame players can afford to apply zetas to every new character released are interesting.

But what about the early game? Is the zeta income sufficient to keep up with the pace of building new teams? Considering the increasing availability of other gear/materials and the offering of affordable catch-up packs.

"Fellah;c-2448971" wrote:
All these maths attempting to determine if endgame players can afford to apply zetas to every new character released are interesting.

But what about the early game? Is the zeta income sufficient to keep up with the pace of building new teams? Considering the increasing availability of other gear/materials and the offering of affordable catch-up packs.

The two biggest sources of zeta income seem to be from fleet challenges and fleet arena currency, and that accounts for nearly 600 mats per year. The rest is certainly dependent on a wider and larger roster for other events, but those from fleet should be available to even the newest players once they hit lvl 85 (I can't remember what level you have to be for the zetas from fleet challenges, it may be lower).

It would seem that to earn zetas, and so improve your squads, fleet development is more important than almost everything else.

As to whether it's enough to keep up with gearing and building new teams it looks as though it's about right for those grinding ftp, but it certainly seems as though the LS bundles have caused a big crunch. On the other hand those players also have the option to spend money on zetas, so...

"Fellah;c-2448971" wrote:
All these maths attempting to determine if endgame players can afford to apply zetas to every new character released are interesting.

But what about the early game? Is the zeta income sufficient to keep up with the pace of building new teams? Considering the increasing availability of other gear/materials and the offering of affordable catch-up packs.

People keep talking about "catch up packs" - but the way the game is monetized, the whole idea is that few people will ever be completely "caught up" without significant spending.

Bottle necks are the life blood of this game. If it's not zetas it's going to be something else, so a better question might be - what resource do you want to be stuck behind?

Wasn’t feeling any hard bottleneck before LSB, but yea.. if spending to build teams faster generates a zeta bottleneck, then, well.. easy solution, spend less. Since I’m not going to buy heavily overpriced zeta packs.

I do think zeta income is fine for f2p, if you spend something(not talking about heavy whaling), it becomes more difficult.

If they release more lightspeed bundles knowing how it affects the zeta economy.. not doing anything about it and expecting the players to buy zetas, I think it’s an ugly move, but fine.




(I’m going to buy any LSB they release eyes closed)

"Cynyc;c-2448980" wrote:
Problem being that light speed bundles were actually good value. Maybe a little too good when you put them alongside the rest of the monetization in this game. Introducing light speed bundles for characters and GL progression is great, but not offering similar value in zetas feels pretty bad.

I’m not gonna spend $35 for 95% of two GL’s but then spend $40-$50 to gamble between 10 and 40 zetas. The pricing is so disconnected there it’s almost like the person who came up with the light speed bundles did so in a vacuum.

Or it was done quite intentionally to drive people to spend on zetas and so they could take part in the new Ultimate Journey event. One thing that CG excels at above all other things is figuring out how to drive spending. The financial success of the game in spite of the objectively poor value from packs should make that very evident.