I never get one. Seriously, I win maybe 1 out of 20 matches. I’m always either dead last or second last. So what’s the deal? I’m supposed to be better than I am? I guess I suck at pvp. Is there any chance I’m ever going to have a shot at winning a match? (WITHOUT PULLING OUT MY CREDIT CARD)I really don’t enjoy grand arena at all. All it does is discourage me. If I lose 19 matches in a row, why am I still matched up against people who curb stomp me every single time? Are they all paying to win and I’m the charity you’re giving them? Why am I consistently matched against players with greater skill than me? Most matchmaking systems eventually account for this. But not here?I don’t understand why the game is designed this way. Even the stupid daily arena allows me to win every other match.. it’s just boring because i only get to use the same team over and over against the same opponent teams over and over. And of course, in my guild there are others who have more powerful toons (DR/malek) but they’re in a lower grand arena division than me (I’m in div 3) and they win basically every match. How is this working as intended?You know, if you let the pay-to-win players have all the fun, eventually the rest of us will leave .. and then the p2w won’t have anyone left to beat.. then they’ll leave too. I honestly enjoy a fair match the most .. but honestly, every single grand arena makes me feel like I’m way out of my league. Why am I continuously matched against players that are able to nuke me? Not fun.

They should just make a continuous league system out of it. Winners move up, losers go down. Would be the only way to actually make it fair. This way you could watch Ahnald in his champions league match ups while we are in the sunday league ;-)

Has it ever occured to you that something is wrong with your roster, modding, strategy, the way you use your characters on offense or all of the above? No offense, but blaming it on not spending enough is a not exactly a valid excuse. It's highly doubtful that all your opponents just outspend you, especially when you are in division 3 which is not exactly whale territory. You do get matched with similarly performing players over the course of a one month-long GAC event, since you are matched with players within the same league (and the better ones are usually in aurodium by week 4). If you can still barely win a match even then, it's hardly the fault of matchmaking, even less so the issue of one's spending tendencies.

"RandomSithLord;c-2010985" wrote:You do get matched with similarly performing players over the course of a one month-long GAC event.And that is just a bad system because you get penalized for performing well without giving you better rewards in the next round with harder matchups

"Zippy_3000;c-2010989" wrote:"RandomSithLord;c-2010985" wrote:Has it ever occured to you that something is wrong with your roster, modding, strategy, the way you use your characters on offense or all of the above? No offense, but blaming it on not spending enough is a not exactly a valid excuse. It's highly doubtful that all your opponents just outspend you, especially when you are in division 3 which is not exactly whale territory. You do get matched with similarly performing players over the course of a one month-long GAC event, since you are matched with players within the same league (and the better ones are usually in aurodium by week 4). If you can still barely win a match even then, it's hardly the fault of matchmaking, even less so the issue of one's spending tendencies.Dude, I said I’m out skilled. I mentioned the pay to win thing because it IS a factor, but I’m not saying that’s why I’m losing.The perks and disadvantages of playing casually. It's nice that your daily routine is not half-dependent on a mobile game, but on the other hand, the higher your GP, the less likely it is to face completely casual and/or generally out-of-touch players when it comes to strategy. As I said above, in week 3/4 you are matched with players of similar win/loss ratio. If you lost all your matches at that point, chances are they have done the same. It is only this fair the matchmaking can get.If you want a win, at some point you need to do a minimal amount of research instead of just waiting to fight another player that is even less interested in getting familiar with different game mechanics.

"Zippy_3000;c-2010989" wrote:"RandomSithLord;c-2010985" wrote:Has it ever occured to you that something is wrong with your roster, modding, strategy, the way you use your characters on offense or all of the above? No offense, but blaming it on not spending enough is a not exactly a valid excuse. It's highly doubtful that all your opponents just outspend you, especially when you are in division 3 which is not exactly whale territory. You do get matched with similarly performing players over the course of a one month-long GAC event, since you are matched with players within the same league (and the better ones are usually in aurodium by week 4). If you can still barely win a match even then, it's hardly the fault of matchmaking, even less so the issue of one's spending tendencies.Dude, I said I’m out skilled. I mentioned the pay to win thing because it IS a factor, but I’m not saying that’s why I’m losing. This is a casual game. I’m a casual player. I don’t have day and night to study strats or never ending cash to buy mods and gear.. I’m CASUAL. Can’t I be matched against other players at a similar skill level? I win one out of 20 rounds. I have never actually won a match. It’s not very fun to me. I would just not bother, but I need the stupid currency for gear. If you want to win that badly then stop being casual perhaps? If you don't want to lose all the time then maybe it's time for you to put some effort into it. And if you're casual and don't care much, then just join, set defenses, do nothing and get free rewards. Sounds reasonable or not? Why do people always expect everything handed to them on a silver platter... No pain, no gain. Simple as that.

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BPjoKLa18
6 years ago
They should just make a continuous league system out of it. Winners move up, losers go down. Would be the only way to actually make it fair.
This way you could watch Ahnald in his champions league match ups while we are in the sunday league ;-)
RSithLord
6 years ago
Has it ever occured to you that something is wrong with your roster, modding, strategy, the way you use your characters on offense or all of the above?

No offense, but blaming it on not spending enough is a not exactly a valid excuse. It's highly doubtful that all your opponents just outspend you, especially when you are in division 3 which is not exactly whale territory.

You do get matched with similarly performing players over the course of a one month-long GAC event, since you are matched with players within the same league (and the better ones are usually in aurodium by week 4). If you can still barely win a match even then, it's hardly the fault of matchmaking, even less so the issue of one's spending tendencies.
BPjoKLa18
6 years ago
"RandomSithLord;c-2010985" wrote:

You do get matched with similarly performing players over the course of a one month-long GAC event.

And that is just a bad system because you get penalized for performing well without giving you better rewards in the next round with harder matchups
RSithLord
6 years ago
"Zippy_3000;c-2010989" wrote:
"RandomSithLord;c-2010985" wrote:
Has it ever occured to you that something is wrong with your roster, modding, strategy, the way you use your characters on offense or all of the above?

No offense, but blaming it on not spending enough is a not exactly a valid excuse. It's highly doubtful that all your opponents just outspend you, especially when you are in division 3 which is not exactly whale territory.

You do get matched with similarly performing players over the course of a one month-long GAC event, since you are matched with players within the same league (and the better ones are usually in aurodium by week 4). If you can still barely win a match even then, it's hardly the fault of matchmaking, even less so the issue of one's spending tendencies.

Dude, I said I’m out skilled. I mentioned the pay to win thing because it IS a factor, but I’m not saying that’s why I’m losing.

The perks and disadvantages of playing casually. It's nice that your daily routine is not half-dependent on a mobile game, but on the other hand, the higher your GP, the less likely it is to face completely casual and/or generally out-of-touch players when it comes to strategy.

As I said above, in week 3/4 you are matched with players of similar win/loss ratio. If you lost all your matches at that point, chances are they have done the same. It is only this fair the matchmaking can get.

If you want a win, at some point you need to do a minimal amount of research instead of just waiting to fight another player that is even less interested in getting familiar with different game mechanics.
Disruptor92
Seasoned Traveler
6 years ago
"Zippy_3000;c-2010989" wrote:
"RandomSithLord;c-2010985" wrote:
Has it ever occured to you that something is wrong with your roster, modding, strategy, the way you use your characters on offense or all of the above?

No offense, but blaming it on not spending enough is a not exactly a valid excuse. It's highly doubtful that all your opponents just outspend you, especially when you are in division 3 which is not exactly whale territory.

You do get matched with similarly performing players over the course of a one month-long GAC event, since you are matched with players within the same league (and the better ones are usually in aurodium by week 4). If you can still barely win a match even then, it's hardly the fault of matchmaking, even less so the issue of one's spending tendencies.

Dude, I said I’m out skilled. I mentioned the pay to win thing because it IS a factor, but I’m not saying that’s why I’m losing.

This is a casual game. I’m a casual player. I don’t have day and night to study strats or never ending cash to buy mods and gear.. I’m CASUAL. Can’t I be matched against other players at a similar skill level? I win one out of 20 rounds. I have never actually won a match. It’s not very fun to me. I would just not bother, but I need the stupid currency for gear.

If you want to win that badly then stop being casual perhaps? If you don't want to lose all the time then maybe it's time for you to put some effort into it. And if you're casual and don't care much, then just join, set defenses, do nothing and get free rewards. Sounds reasonable or not? Why do people always expect everything handed to them on a silver platter... No pain, no gain. Simple as that.
zippy_3001
6 years ago
"Disruptor92;c-2011037" wrote:

I understand that it's frustrating facing people with meta teams when you don't have them yourself. That means you need to devote some time building those teams yourself and turn your roster around so that it's more lean than now.

I've been in a similar situation as you a while ago. I lacked lots of the meta teams and GA was really tough. But I put a lot of effort into it and still managed to win lots of matches against seemingly stronger opponents. I also had, and still have lots of fluff due to being a veteran player that most players I face don't have because they started later and didn't need that stuff. I can't remove that fluff but I learned to accept that as a constant challenge I have to face. I never gave up and now I'm slowly catching up. It's unfortunate that as an older player you have some "useless" stuff lying around, but that's just how it is. Accept it and work your way up. It's tough if you're a casual player but there's not much you can do other than work hard on your roster.

Finally, someone with an understanding response. :)

I’m working on it, it’s just extremely frustrating, as you appear to understand.

I guess it’s really stupid of me to say anything in these forums about it.. too much to ask for most people who don’t have that extra crap in their roster to do more than just say: “dude, You’re wrong. Also, you suck. It’s not a problem for me. You just need to get good.”

So again, sincerely, I appreciate your response.
Pengin83
6 years ago
To your original questions, I doubt you’re playing against p2w players because they are also losing and in lower leagues. Here’s some things you’re not considering:

1. There’s 4 rounds of Matchmaking and the first is entirely based on your top toons GP. That only leaves 3 more rounds to differentiate yourself from the average player that has average pvp skills. If you move into bronzium after the first set of GA matches, you will again be matched with the same pool of players, so you really only get 2 sets of matches where you’re playing lower quality players.
2. If you have a high GP (3.5+ million), you’re most likely going to see lots of JKR and DR (maybe not all malaks) teams. Those characters have been out too long and those that didn’t get them first or second time got tired of losing to them, so they jumped on board. Unfortunately, there’s no pilots team that can beat these squads, so if you want to beat them you need counter or those teams.
3. Matchmaking is based on GP of your top toons/maybe ships. If you have a lot of old school toons with zetas then you’ll need to just keep from adding GP to those guys and focus on newer characters. I have zeta QGJ who never sees play time in GAC but is in my top 80.
Manumicio
6 years ago
I experienced the same situation beginning of 2019, where i had no counter to DR/Malaks (and before same with JKR), the solution is to work and focus on counter teams (information about CT is available everywhere).
It'll take a while, but you'll feel good when you'll no more stuck behind some DR walls etc., i know the frustration to throw your whole roster to a team and you can't even weaken it...

As i am a long time player, i have also a lot of chars which today i wouldn't level and gear anymore, but hey that's my reality and i have to deal with it, i just can tell you, since i worked on some dedicated counterteams, GAC is much more fun, and now usually it's up to fight efficiency that decides over WIN/LOSS.

Whale hard get hard ;)
LiathSW
6 years ago
You’re basically asking the devs to make you a JV conference. Would you be ok with competing for significantly fewer rewards as a result of playing in JV? Because if they just matched you with other people who lose and matched the winners with other people who win, keeping the same rewards system as now, then the winners will be getting lower rewards so that you can get higher rewards. Why should the people you admit are better than you at this game mode get lower rewards due to only getting matched against each other?
Waquira
6 years ago
@Zippy_3000

May I suggest, that you either accept your defeats or start working on your roster, strategy and execution to compete for more wins? Choose whatever is more fun for you. Either path is fine, as long as you have your fun.

In every GA, from Kyber league to Carbonite, there will be a 0/3 looser. If you prefer winning..... Well, do what it takes to win. Casual/free players can win too, but without putting some effort in to it, you won't win.