Alternative Ships 2.0 fleet

For the record, my favorite part about this composition is the minimal amount of RNG I have to put up with. It's all about damage mostly. There is some minor strategy like knowing when to hold back on special abilities and picking the right reinforcement for the situation, but the sheer amount of damage kind of eliminates the RNG except when it's ridiculous.

Clone Sergeant and Plo don't deal enough damage. I've found that thinking defensively is a way to fail in this new ship arena. Damage and speed are king, if I sacrifice any for defense or tricks by using Plo or Clone Sergeant than I just can't kill their team fast enough to get ahead of the RNG slogfest and gain a distinct advantage before thrawn/Tarkin's ultimates go off if I'm unlucky enough to have the fight last that long.

Yesterday I climbed only to #6 and I fell to 14th. I can't say how well it would hold in another shard. I know anyone running Mace lead is probably going to get targeted, but I feel like this particular lineup would work with any command ship so that part's kind of irrelevant (though Mace's new ultimate works a lot nicer with heavy hitters I will say).

Awesome man. Glad to see that there are choices. I think Im about to switch to Akbar, just because. I dont care if I fall.

To be fair, I bought 4 refreshes yesterday just trying out different lineups and strategies until I found one that worked. It was well worth it though because I feel confident in my ability to win now. 25 matches in one day is plenty to get a feel for what's going on.

Here's a video. I got bad RNG in this fight, but it wasn't absolutely horrible.

https://youtu.be/GyokqXBmbaU

My rewards today (I bought 0 refreshes today):

"Woodroward;c-1576771" wrote:

"TVF;c-1576766" wrote:
Wait I thought 2.0 was complete RNG...

If you go with Biggs, X1, and {insert random TIE here} under Thrawn, then yes. it all comes down to RNG. Whose TIE goes first? Is target lock inflicted? Whose TIE fighter dodges more?

In this the only RNG to worry about is all debuffs being resisted, all hits not critting, and **** amounts of dodge from non-dodgy characters... basically if you get horrible RNG it will hurt you.

Yes I know, I was making fun of everyone who complains about RNG instead of working on strategy.

"Woodroward;c-1576822" wrote:
@Nikoms565 You've been pretty vocal about disliking the amount of RNG in ships 2.0. You might dig this lineup.

I've tried lineups that are not RNG dependent (Vader, Biggs, Bistan as just one example). Until most other players pull TFP and/or FOTP out of their lineups, RNG still runs rampant in fleet battles. I've already given up trying to go against the flow - doing so just puts a major target on your back. For the few weeks I was trying to run an "RNG-free" starting lineup, I would drop 30+ in an hour. Since returning to what everyone else does, I hang around to the top 20, so I can finish in the top 10 with a handful of battles - no need to refresh anymore.

TL;DR - I can finish where you do without having to gear up ships/pilots that are useless everywhere else (i.e. Mace, Ahsoka, JC, etc.) - so why bother?

So yeah, I'm pretty much fed up with Ships 2.0, because nothing really matters. Keep on keeping on.

At last.
Something positive after Ships 2.0 update.
Hats off to you.

"Woodroward;c-1577561" wrote:

"Roopehun;c-1577211" wrote:
Im with Nikoms. It sounded so good at first glance, but by running the meta, I can get to higher spots for payout + I drop less, so whats the point of even trying to do any different.

Neither of the statements after your but is true. This fleet holds well on Defense and I took 1st with it. So you can climb as high as you want with it, and it really shouldn't fall far on defense either because most fleets couldn't handle the damage it can dole out. They certainly can't match it.

If you don't want to run it for some reason or another, cool, but the reasons you gave aren't really true so I had to say something.

He's probably saying that he drops so much by not running meta that he can't climb high enough/fast enough to get top spots for payout. It's just easier to run what everyone else is in 2.0 because that way you're not a target.

I'd love to see a video of your team performing on defense, though I know that is certainly going to be hard to come by. But if it's easier to face on defense than a standard Biggs + TIEs team then it will drop. And it will drop hard. Depending on the shard you could drop down to 100 or so for simply just not having the same team as everyone else.

Honestly the strongest defensive teams I've faced have either Bistan in their starting line-up or Sun Fac, and mostly have Tarkin's capital ship. The tm gain on ship death for their whole fleet is pretty devastating. Damage output per turn is one thing, but how many turns your fleet takes is another way to out DPS your enemy.

"Vertigo;c-1577566" wrote:

"Woodroward;c-1577561" wrote:

"Roopehun;c-1577211" wrote:
Im with Nikoms. It sounded so good at first glance, but by running the meta, I can get to higher spots for payout + I drop less, so whats the point of even trying to do any different.

Neither of the statements after your but is true. This fleet holds well on Defense and I took 1st with it. So you can climb as high as you want with it, and it really shouldn't fall far on defense either because most fleets couldn't handle the damage it can dole out. They certainly can't match it.

If you don't want to run it for some reason or another, cool, but the reasons you gave aren't really true so I had to say something.

He's probably saying that he drops so much by not running meta that he can't climb high enough/fast enough to get top spots for payout. It's just easier to run what everyone else is in 2.0 because that way you're not a target.

I'd love to see a video of your team performing on defense, though I know that is certainly going to be hard to come by. But if it's easier to face on defense than a standard Biggs + TIEs team then it will drop. And it will drop hard. Depending on the shard you could drop down to 100 or so for simply just not having the same team as everyone else.

Honestly the strongest defensive teams I've faced have either Bistan in their starting line-up or Sun Fac, and mostly have Tarkin's capital ship. The tm gain on ship death for their whole fleet is pretty devastating. Damage output per turn is one thing, but how many turns your fleet takes is another way to out DPS your enemy.

I definitely understand about the being a target thing, but standing out making you a target is only really a problem if the fleet can't hold on defense. Not sure how well it does on defense I suppose, I can only attest to how far I've fallen running it (8 ranks 1 day, 14 the next). I'm sure I'm getting targeted a lot because of the Mace lead if nothing else, it wasn't that good in past fleet, and is generally considered horrible in this iteration of it, so it has to have some merit on defense.

See I haven't found Sun Fac to be impressive at all when I've faced him so far. I'm sure that's because of the nuances of my fleet. Defense down makes tanks less tanky. Ahsoka with an offense up will do massive damage to Sun Fac with her buff wipe. She's a hard hitter to begin with, but giving herself offense up on basic and then removing Sun Fac's bonus defense by wiping his taunt makes her his achilles heel. Fives as well since he'll wipe his buff with his basic if SF's target locked.

I have yet face a Bistan in a starting line-up (or at all maybe?), so I can't speak on that.

When I say damage I really mean DPS. Damage over time. GeoSol is slow, but it doesn't matter because he assists on his own. Poe, Ahsoka, 5s are all really high on the list of fast ships. Every one of them goes faster than Biggs or x1 (though whichever one 5s hits will go before Ahsoka). So that's kind of the idea is that this fleet is fast damage, not just damage. Assist come in, bam! Knock someone out. Keep Poe and Ahsoka alive because they are fast heavy hitters. If I lose both of those 2 before gaining a distinct advantage it's not good.