Am I missing something with Nihilus?

"VonZant;c-1936063" wrote:

"Liath;c-1936038" wrote:

"VonZant;c-1936030" wrote:
So I swear I have seen Fallen Basty takes a turn immediately after having both fear and CBM. Maybe I'm missing some basic mechanic.

What does CBM have to do with it?

I thought CBM was supposed to prevent her from applying CBM - but maybe not as its not a used ability and its passive?

Correct, CBM doesn't prevent CBM. Fear also doesn't prevent CBM afaik.

CBM is passively applied, not an ability used.

But the first (missed) turn the CD goes to 7, the next turn it goes to 6. Then minus 5 cause drain force, so it's at 1. Next turn it's at zero, so ready to use (and he does).

That's how cooldown works, is it not? Look at Sabine's special (with CD 2), you can use that every other turn.

Sounds like Vekasa answered it.

If he didn't could you be missing a turn? DN gets 10% everytime Sion/Traya are debuffed, and SE teams throw out alot of debuffs

One thing to look out for is Traya using the Isolate ability. Even if she can't apply Isolate (because of CBM) she can still reduce cooldowns by 1.

I use this on my Arena team to Annihilate against DR teams the EXACT same way you described.

CD is reduced by 1 at the end of a turn. Fear only reduces CD if it's dispelled by dmg. Nihilus gains a lot of TM with many debuffs being throw about. Traya can (and will) reduce Nihilus CD with her isolate ability.

Any or all of misinformation around these facts may be causing confusion, but most importantly:
Nihilus isn't bugged. Whatever is happening is supposed to be happening, even if the interaction is difficult to deduce.

"Veskasa1;c-1936119" wrote:
But the first (missed) turn the CD goes to 7, the next turn it goes to 6. Then minus 5 cause drain force, so it's at 1. Next turn it's at zero, so ready to use (and he does).

That's how cooldown works, is it not? Look at Sabine's special (with CD 2), you can use that every other turn.

Your math doesn't add up. You remove CD when his turn ends and then when his next turn comes, you remove CD again. It's not how the mechanic works.

Battle begins. 8 turns CD on annihilate. Fear is applied. Nih misses turn. Next turn comes on, he has 7 CD on his ability. He uses Drain Force, reducing the cooldown from 7 to 2. His turn ends which means -1 CD on annihilate. His next turn comes. He has 1 CD left on his annihilate.

Same goes for Sabine. She gets a turn. She use Darksaber Strike. Her turn ends, reducing her cooldown from 2 to 1. Her next turn comes. She has 1 CD on her special.

OP - did you use both DR's aoe fear and BSF fear? Since Nihil gains TM when Sion/Traya is inflicted with a debuff, it's very possible that the battle went like that -> You use DR and fear everyone, Nihil gets TM and his turn is over(it happens fast so you might miss it), then you use fear with BSF -> Nihil once again has fear, but you also applied a lot of debuffs again, meaning he got TM once more. This might make it look as if it's still his first turn, when it's actually his second one.

"Crazylazyguy;c-1936287" wrote:

"Veskasa1;c-1936119" wrote:
But the first (missed) turn the CD goes to 7, the next turn it goes to 6. Then minus 5 cause drain force, so it's at 1. Next turn it's at zero, so ready to use (and he does).

That's how cooldown works, is it not? Look at Sabine's special (with CD 2), you can use that every other turn.

Your math doesn't add up. You remove CD when his turn ends and then when his next turn comes, you remove CD again. It's not how the mechanic works.

Battle begins. 8 turns CD on annihilate. Fear is applied. Nih misses turn. Next turn comes on, he has 7 CD on his ability. He uses Drain Force, reducing the cooldown from 7 to 2. His turn ends which means -1 CD on annihilate. His next turn comes. He has 1 CD left on his annihilate.

Same goes for Sabine. She gets a turn. She use Darksaber Strike. Her turn ends, reducing her cooldown from 2 to 1. Her next turn comes. She has 1 CD on her special.

OP - did you use both DR's aoe fear and BSF fear? Since Nihil gains TM when Sion/Traya is inflicted with a debuff, it's very possible that the battle went like that -> You use DR and fear everyone, Nihil gets TM and his turn is over(it happens fast so you might miss it), then you use fear with BSF -> Nihil once again has fear, but you also applied a lot of debuffs again, meaning he got TM once more. This might make it look as if it's still his first turn, when it's actually his second one.

No, I specifically didn’t use Fear from my DR because I had CBM so it wouldn’t stick.

Unfortunately I can’t make a video, that team has been knocked back by other people

Could be that on his 1 basic turn he took he dispelled a buff off of someone like sith trooper.