As of now (Feb. 2020), which Lead do you believe is stronger on Defense?

"Crazygone510;c-2066773" wrote:
Asajj by a mile. The TM gain and added offense turn a fully relic'd NS squad into a headache. Can even surprise their "counters" every now and then. She has won many GAC's and is my go to choice for defense. I like Talzin for offense myself.

I was thinking AV on defense vs. a DR, and Mother Talzin vs. a JKR or GG