Bastila Jedi Nerf ?

"Whatelse73;c-1631056" wrote:

"DaPowerfulJedi;c-1631038" wrote:

I don’t think Bastila got stealth nerfed, this is the most debuffs I’ve ever seen on my team. I took this screenshot about half an hour ago. The enemy team wasn’t modded for potency. Of the other two sith teams I fought today, only the unrisistable ability block from Vader stuck, no other debuffs. She’s still working for me!

I'm honestly not sure whether you're being sarcastic or serious on this one. I'd expect that many debuffs at once to not be resisted on my EP team with 30-50% tenacity. But my team with 150-200% tenacity? That's a lot of "15% chance!" occurrences happening at one time.

Seriously, all that shows is the AI is telling you, "oh 150+ tenacity? Hold my beer!" Really. Tarkin alone landed 2 buffs on 3 of your team and 1 on 2 of them. On a team you are saying wasn't "modded for potency".

2 of 5 are rebels who cannot resist the IT debuffs from Tarkin.
Tarkin has base 43% potency. His IT gives him potency up (before attempting to apply debuffs) and I am guess in EP lead.so Tarkin had 128% potency not to mention he gains 20% per debuffed enemy, which can be added in while he is Appling debuffs to others (sadly even though it looks like it it AoE debuffs don't immediately apply to all opponents they actually apply one at a time) , so the IT debuffs landed on old Ben and Ezra (he debuffs rebels before non rebels) before the other 3 that is an additional 40% potency so 168% potency when attempting to debuff the 3 non rebels and once offense down is done applying which in that pic looks like it applied to all 4/5 that is 208% potency when crit chance down goes to apply.

So yeah with EP lead Tarkin can drop debuffs on bastila lead pretty easy without being modded for potency.

I think the difference noticed was part of a big push by players to remod to best prepare for the mod changes.. Now that it's live, I haven't gotten a single debuff :)

"Crazygone510;c-1631235" wrote:


Yeah don't take it personal but 90% of people don't understand how tenacity v Potency even works.

For example, case in point ^

"ChristophIV;c-1631261" wrote:

"Crazygone510;c-1631235" wrote:

"Whatelse73;c-1630982" wrote:

"Shadowscream;c-1630973" wrote:

"Presaria;c-1630849" wrote:
Bastila was stealth nerfed, end of story.

Nope....Arena Rank 20 today with her....best I’ve ever reached. Occasional debuff lands when my opponent is appropriately modded.

The problem I have with this rubbish. My EP lead team can't do a mass stun but maybe once a week. The AI will do 2-3 mass stuns of my entire team every freakin' match I do. The AI's excessive rolls for itself doesn't help. At the same time, my Bastila team, for a third match now, got obliterated by an EP lead team because it kept landing debuff after debuff on my team with no trouble whatsoever.

If they're going to make tenacity mean something, then do it. Their worthless broken tenacity system is supposed to be fixed by this new mods 2.0 thing happening, but at the same time when I go up against Bastila teams (for weeks now) to try them out and can't land debuffs because they have protection (which grants 150% tenacity) and have to power through, then I put a team in and it gets destroyed because 5, 8, 10 debuffs are stacking up on my team, just days later, then there's a problem.

At the same time, they often have systems get effected by 'other' updates they do in game. So it is very likely that the next phase of mods 2.0 they implemented before the weekend is the cause, if they didn't do a "Stealth nerf" directly to Bastila, Tenacity, etc.

Just frackin' tired of the back n' forth of it. One extreme to the other, letting the AI have better stats, and so on. The RNG of what "could" happen is way too broad. "Well, the AI has 15% chance to get through!" (which means, the AI has a 150% chance to do whatever it wants....)

If this is how Bastila with a zeta on her responds as a lead (any and every debuff hits), then I'll ask support to take the darn thing off her and I'll put it somewhere else. Because from my point of view it is acting like it did the first week or so before they did the "fix" as it didn't work correctly on implementation.

Yeah don't take it personal but 90% of people don't understand how tenacity v Potency even works. For the skills that don't have a %debuff chance(sion's aoe for example), those skills start with 100% POTENCY REGARDLESS of the added on players Potency. If Sion has 85% potency, this means his total Potency is 185%.

This is wrong. % Debuff just means chance to apply. So Vader's ability block has an 80% chance to apply. Yoda’s "remove 70% TM" is guaranteed to attempt to apply, but whether it does or not comes down to the tenacity/potency check.

Neither attack has higher potency (from what you claim Vader should have 80%, Sion and Yoda should have 100%).

Attacks go through three checks:
1) Does it hit
2) Chance to apply debuffs (80% Vader, 100% Yoda, Sion)
3) Potency/tenacity check

Sorry, but I am not wrong. Skills that don't have the % based chance to get through start at 100% potency which is why I used sion's example.

"Fanatic;c-1632595" wrote:

"Crazygone510;c-1631235" wrote:


Yeah don't take it personal but 90% of people don't understand how tenacity v Potency even works.

For example, case in point ^

Welcome to that 90% :)

"Crazygone510;c-1632749" wrote:

"ChristophIV;c-1631261" wrote:

"Crazygone510;c-1631235" wrote:

"Whatelse73;c-1630982" wrote:

"Shadowscream;c-1630973" wrote:

"Presaria;c-1630849" wrote:
Bastila was stealth nerfed, end of story.

Nope....Arena Rank 20 today with her....best I’ve ever reached. Occasional debuff lands when my opponent is appropriately modded.

The problem I have with this rubbish. My EP lead team can't do a mass stun but maybe once a week. The AI will do 2-3 mass stuns of my entire team every freakin' match I do. The AI's excessive rolls for itself doesn't help. At the same time, my Bastila team, for a third match now, got obliterated by an EP lead team because it kept landing debuff after debuff on my team with no trouble whatsoever.

If they're going to make tenacity mean something, then do it. Their worthless broken tenacity system is supposed to be fixed by this new mods 2.0 thing happening, but at the same time when I go up against Bastila teams (for weeks now) to try them out and can't land debuffs because they have protection (which grants 150% tenacity) and have to power through, then I put a team in and it gets destroyed because 5, 8, 10 debuffs are stacking up on my team, just days later, then there's a problem.

At the same time, they often have systems get effected by 'other' updates they do in game. So it is very likely that the next phase of mods 2.0 they implemented before the weekend is the cause, if they didn't do a "Stealth nerf" directly to Bastila, Tenacity, etc.

Just frackin' tired of the back n' forth of it. One extreme to the other, letting the AI have better stats, and so on. The RNG of what "could" happen is way too broad. "Well, the AI has 15% chance to get through!" (which means, the AI has a 150% chance to do whatever it wants....)

If this is how Bastila with a zeta on her responds as a lead (any and every debuff hits), then I'll ask support to take the darn thing off her and I'll put it somewhere else. Because from my point of view it is acting like it did the first week or so before they did the "fix" as it didn't work correctly on implementation.

Yeah don't take it personal but 90% of people don't understand how tenacity v Potency even works. For the skills that don't have a %debuff chance(sion's aoe for example), those skills start with 100% POTENCY REGARDLESS of the added on players Potency. If Sion has 85% potency, this means his total Potency is 185%.

This is wrong. % Debuff just means chance to apply. So Vader's ability block has an 80% chance to apply. Yoda’s "remove 70% TM" is guaranteed to attempt to apply, but whether it does or not comes down to the tenacity/potency check.

Neither attack has higher potency (from what you claim Vader should have 80%, Sion and Yoda should have 100%).

Attacks go through three checks:
1) Does it hit
2) Chance to apply debuffs (80% Vader, 100% Yoda, Sion)
3) Potency/tenacity check

Sorry, but I am not wrong. Skills that don't have the % based chance to get through start at 100% potency which is why I used sion's example.

No, he's right. The chance to apply debuffs is exactly that. If rng allows that, then there's the tenacity-potency check to get the percentage chance.
I don't know who told you there's a base potency of 100.. But they were wrong, as far as the moderators and devs comments throughout the forums.
There's a min of 15 tenacity, and there's always some potency in a character, even if it's only like 1%.. So 15-1=14% chance to resist, which reverts to 15% due to the min cap.

On that same topic tho. The real question that should be asked when running a bastilla line in arena tho is: "wouldn't this skill add 150% of each character's current potency?"
So if you have a bastilla with 30% tenacity, the +150% from her lead would leave her with 75% tenacity when the battle begins..

"JacenRoe;c-1630313" wrote:

"Kiritoismyname;c-1630284" wrote:

"BubbaFett;c-1630282" wrote:
They didn't nerf bastila..... They made.potency mods worthwhile.....

Stop spreading misinformation. That update hasn't gone live yet. It was pulled back.

And yes, it does seem there has been a silent nerf. They obviously won't admit, but yeah. Many people are claiming they have nerfed her. I believe so too after playing around with her for a while.

And no, no one has used potency mods. In my case atleast.

You're right. The mod changes haven't gone live. You're also spreading unproven disinformation by talking about a stealth nerf. I've not seen any difference other than one screenshot with above average numbers of debuffs. Don't make up something you don't have proof of. Feelings, or a thing that happened to someone this one time aren't proof.

Calm your teets.... jeezuz

"Gannon;c-1632805" wrote:

"Crazygone510;c-1632749" wrote:

"ChristophIV;c-1631261" wrote:

"Crazygone510;c-1631235" wrote:

"Whatelse73;c-1630982" wrote:

"Shadowscream;c-1630973" wrote:

"Presaria;c-1630849" wrote:
Bastila was stealth nerfed, end of story.

Nope....Arena Rank 20 today with her....best I’ve ever reached. Occasional debuff lands when my opponent is appropriately modded.

The problem I have with this rubbish. My EP lead team can't do a mass stun but maybe once a week. The AI will do 2-3 mass stuns of my entire team every freakin' match I do. The AI's excessive rolls for itself doesn't help. At the same time, my Bastila team, for a third match now, got obliterated by an EP lead team because it kept landing debuff after debuff on my team with no trouble whatsoever.

If they're going to make tenacity mean something, then do it. Their worthless broken tenacity system is supposed to be fixed by this new mods 2.0 thing happening, but at the same time when I go up against Bastila teams (for weeks now) to try them out and can't land debuffs because they have protection (which grants 150% tenacity) and have to power through, then I put a team in and it gets destroyed because 5, 8, 10 debuffs are stacking up on my team, just days later, then there's a problem.

At the same time, they often have systems get effected by 'other' updates they do in game. So it is very likely that the next phase of mods 2.0 they implemented before the weekend is the cause, if they didn't do a "Stealth nerf" directly to Bastila, Tenacity, etc.

Just frackin' tired of the back n' forth of it. One extreme to the other, letting the AI have better stats, and so on. The RNG of what "could" happen is way too broad. "Well, the AI has 15% chance to get through!" (which means, the AI has a 150% chance to do whatever it wants....)

If this is how Bastila with a zeta on her responds as a lead (any and every debuff hits), then I'll ask support to take the darn thing off her and I'll put it somewhere else. Because from my point of view it is acting like it did the first week or so before they did the "fix" as it didn't work correctly on implementation.

Yeah don't take it personal but 90% of people don't understand how tenacity v Potency even works. For the skills that don't have a %debuff chance(sion's aoe for example), those skills start with 100% POTENCY REGARDLESS of the added on players Potency. If Sion has 85% potency, this means his total Potency is 185%.

This is wrong. % Debuff just means chance to apply. So Vader's ability block has an 80% chance to apply. Yoda’s "remove 70% TM" is guaranteed to attempt to apply, but whether it does or not comes down to the tenacity/potency check.

Neither attack has higher potency (from what you claim Vader should have 80%, Sion and Yoda should have 100%).

Attacks go through three checks:
1) Does it hit
2) Chance to apply debuffs (80% Vader, 100% Yoda, Sion)
3) Potency/tenacity check

Sorry, but I am not wrong. Skills that don't have the % based chance to get through start at 100% potency which is why I used sion's example.

No, he's right. The chance to apply debuffs is exactly that. If rng allows that, then there's the tenacity-potency check to get the percentage chance.
I don't know who told you there's a base potency of 100.. But they were wrong, as far as the moderators and devs comments throughout the forums.
There's a min of 15 tenacity, and there's always some potency in a character, even if it's only like 1%.. So 15-1=14% chance to resist, which reverts to 15% due to the min cap.

I will say it one last time. If you guys can't understand this, that's on you. @6:30 it says exactly what I'm saying. smh

https://youtu.be/4Cru7AT5Dqc

Yea that guy is wrong, ask a dev. You don't start at 100% potency. I've seen at least three separate comments by moderators stating this. At 6:40 this guy claims that toons start with 100% potency, but he's totally wrong.
At low levels, or if you don't understand the math, it may seem that way.. But it's a product of the tenacity-potency check. Even at base 15 tenacity v 0 potency you still end with only a 15% chance to resist. (15-0=15)
Very different from starting with 100 potency, which would invalidate tenacity almost completely.
Even a bastilla lead would only ever get 15% resist chance, regardless of tenacity if that were the case