Best defence teams for GAC?

"Mephisto_style;c-2009617" wrote:
A fast zTalzin team is really hard to beat outside your arena team. The counters are there but they are all mod speed dependent.

Nope.

I mean, that's true if you're trying to Jawa them I guess.

"Richfxxx;c-2010026" wrote:

"Jarvind;c-2010009" wrote:
Depends on division to some extent. Defense works better in lower-GP divisions because the amount of teams either side has is limited. The higher you get, the more likely it is that your opponent will have viable counters to everything you put on defense.

Generally the best defensive teams are either:

A: Difficult to counter. This usually means your S-tier teams like Revan or Padme. They're likely to get holds but also leave you with fewer "trump cards" on offense.

B: Easily underestimated. Personally I think this is the better route to aim for; keep your truly awesome teams for offense, and make your opponent stumble by putting down teams that look easy to undersize but are sneaky-good. This can be accomplished either with a novel combination of characters that isn't commonly used, or with unusually good mods on a team that people are used to seeing with junky stats.

For option B can you suggest any sneaky teams to catch people out?

Nute lead has caught a lot of ppl off guard lately. Occasionally quira/nest does. Clones are underestimated often.

"Richfxxx;c-2010028" wrote:

"CCyrilS;c-2010027" wrote:

"Richfxxx;c-2010026" wrote:

"Jarvind;c-2010009" wrote:
Depends on division to some extent. Defense works better in lower-GP divisions because the amount of teams either side has is limited. The higher you get, the more likely it is that your opponent will have viable counters to everything you put on defense.

Generally the best defensive teams are either:

A: Difficult to counter. This usually means your S-tier teams like Revan or Padme. They're likely to get holds but also leave you with fewer "trump cards" on offense.

B: Easily underestimated. Personally I think this is the better route to aim for; keep your truly awesome teams for offense, and make your opponent stumble by putting down teams that look easy to undersize but are sneaky-good. This can be accomplished either with a novel combination of characters that isn't commonly used, or with unusually good mods on a team that people are used to seeing with junky stats.

For option B can you suggest any sneaky teams to catch people out?

Nute lead has caught a lot of ppl off guard lately. Occasionally quira/nest does. Clones are underestimated often.

Nite leading who?

Currently I've been using dooku, gg, ventress, and b2.

"jayjonbeach;c-2010053" wrote:

"CCyrilS;c-2010027" wrote:

"Richfxxx;c-2010026" wrote:


For option B can you suggest any sneaky teams to catch people out?

Nute lead has caught a lot of ppl off guard lately. Occasionally quira/nest does. Clones are underestimated often.

Many great suggestions in this thread, especially looking at opponent and acting accordingly.

My Scoundrel team has won me more than a few matches because opponent got stuck on them. For this reason, it is better to hide them in the back, so by the time they get to it they may not have any solutions left, like DN in particular. Vandor and his Zeta are VERY important for this team, as is having two taunts to keep him and Nest protected. I use L3 and Zaal (I don't have an OR team or might not get the luxury to use Zaal) and they work great under a Q'ira lead, where they regen protection along with Vandor also regening protection for them. Zaal also has natural crit avoidance, and gains even more under Q'ira. Many like to save Nest for Offense, but for me anyway I have more than enough for that, and prefer her on D, under Q'ira. If a match is going to be tight, then a solo nest offense win can make the difference for sure

Yeah, I learned the hard way not to underestimate Big Z. It's far from meta, but you still gotta show some respect and use solid squads.

I think a lot of these posts are division dependent.

As TVF said the what's good on defense question is division dependent but also roster, play style and opponent dependent.

E.g. at the lower GP of div 4 and div 2 you may be playing with not enough well geared teams so you might need a really strong defensive squad that your opponent will struggle on to make up for some weaker team. At the higher GP end of div 3 and div 1 you might be able to set a very "flat" level of defense teams that just take protection banners away from your opponent and maybe if you are lucky drain them of certain specific counters before they full clear. Meanwhile if you set bossk lead BH vs someone with well geared troopers and a fast stark you are giving them 60 banners vs maybe giving someone without good troopers a slightly harder time.

My personal generalized thoughts though which I'm sure differ to a lot of players:
Gas; Defense because no protection regeneration and requires strong counters not yet well practiced
Sith Empire; Defense because requires strong counter and will cost banners. Also offense; undersized win with out malak vs almost anything and then use malak for a 64. Or mirror SE.
Padme; Opposite of SE as it's a possible counter but also beats basically everything else. Can be good on defense if you include 3P0 and also use Bugs (double up on traya counter)
JKR; Offense because regen. prot., defeats almost anything specifically GG.
GG; defense because high chance it costs opponent banners to beat and would otherwise cost you banners on offense vs most teams of similar power / investment
Clones (without GAS); defense under rex lead (harder to beat than shaakti lead) or offense under shaakti lead (counters most things including SE if JKA included)
Bugs; depends on other factors, e.g. can you make them use at least Traya and DR before coming across them. Otherwise they beat an awful lot for high banners on offense.
CLS; Offense (typically) as he counters a lot of teams usually undersized (specialty counter for higher end teams also). Can surprise people when used on defense though.
Traya; Offense as she counters a lot of teams specifically padme and bugs.
Nute/Dooku/Seps; Defense as still unfamiliar for some people. Many comps. e.g. Wat, Jango, Nest. DDK works if you need a BH team somewhere.
NS; At some point will have to be moved to offense as everyone puts them on defense and eventually people are going to learn how to beat them without screwing up. For the moment though enough people occasionally slip up or waste some banners on them so they are still worth defense. They cost you 5 banners on offense.
Carth; very often seen on defense, have a high banner counter prepared (e.g. malak solo, CLS undersize or FO). If used on defense do something to make it at least a tiny bit of a challenge (add L3, Wampa, Nest or Wat or g13 your canderous)
BH; try not to use bossk on defense as everyone has had over a year practicing against it always being on defense and jango lead is better if you get the speeds and turn order right. Can be good on offense especially if you practiced a bit with them against NS for example.
FO; with a few g13s and great mods can trip people up on defense. But they have prot. regen., can be used vs carth or for cleanup vs e.g. a lone malak. Well geared, modded and practiced they can be used for 60 against relic'd NS.
qira or clone wars chewi + scoundrels; tricky little defense filler team if you have the team comp. and gear for it.
JTR/Palp/Troopers/Ewoks; gearing and modding dependent offensive counters to a lot of filler lever teams. Can be occasionally reused on defense vs players with a big mod advantage as their TM gain mechanics can outweight that a little. Optimal on offense as and when needed though and they have many high banner counters.
Nest/wampa in general; dependent on if you often see teams you can solo (I haven't seen one for ages) otherwise I prefer use to reduce the number of counters available to beat filler teams on defense.
R1/Phoenix/GR Jedi/Tuskans/Lobot..... if you find a use for them more power to you.

Lastly all of that goes out the window as soon as you review the opponents roster and spot a weakness you can exploit or a strength you need to compensate for.

"EduardoCadav;c-2011071" wrote:
As TVF said the what's good on defense question is division dependent but also roster, play style and opponent dependent.

E.g. at the lower GP of div 4 and div 2 you may be playing with not enough well geared teams so you might need a really strong defensive squad that your opponent will struggle on to make up for some weaker team. At the higher GP end of div 3 and div 1 you might be able to set a very "flat" level of defense teams that just take protection banners away from your opponent and maybe if you are lucky drain them of certain specific counters before they full clear. Meanwhile if you set bossk lead BH vs someone with well geared troopers and a fast stark you are giving them 60 banners vs maybe giving someone without good troopers a slightly harder time.

My personal generalized thoughts though which I'm sure differ to a lot of players:
Gas; Defense because no protection regeneration and requires strong counters not yet well practiced
Sith Empire; Defense because requires strong counter and will cost banners. Also offense; undersized win with out malak vs almost anything and then use malak for a 64. Or mirror SE.
Padme; Opposite of SE as it's a possible counter but also beats basically everything else. Can be good on defense if you include 3P0 and also use Bugs (double up on traya counter)
JKR; Offense because regen. prot., defeats almost anything specifically GG.
GG; defense because high chance it costs opponent banners to beat and would otherwise cost you banners on offense vs most teams of similar power / investment
Clones (without GAS); defense under rex lead (harder to beat than shaakti lead) or offense under shaakti lead (counters most things including SE if JKA included)
Bugs; depends on other factors, e.g. can you make them use at least Traya and DR before coming across them. Otherwise they beat an awful lot for high banners on offense.
CLS; Offense (typically) as he counters a lot of teams usually undersized (specialty counter for higher end teams also). Can surprise people when used on defense though.
Traya; Offense as she counters a lot of teams specifically padme and bugs.
Nute/Dooku/Seps; Defense as still unfamiliar for some people. Many comps. e.g. Wat, Jango, Nest. DDK works if you need a BH team somewhere.
NS; At some point will have to be moved to offense as everyone puts them on defense and eventually people are going to learn how to beat them without screwing up. For the moment though enough people occasionally slip up or waste some banners on them so they are still worth defense. They cost you 5 banners on offense.
Carth; very often seen on defense, have a high banner counter prepared (e.g. malak solo, CLS undersize or FO). If used on defense do something to make it at least a tiny bit of a challenge (add L3, Wampa, Nest or Wat or g13 your canderous)
BH; try not to use bossk on defense as everyone has had over a year practicing against it always being on defense and jango lead is better if you get the speeds and turn order right. Can be good on offense especially if you practiced a bit with them against NS for example.
FO; with a few g13s and great mods can trip people up on defense. But they have prot. regen., can be used vs carth or for cleanup vs e.g. a lone malak. Well geared, modded and practiced they can be used for 60 against relic'd NS.
qira or clone wars chewi + scoundrels; tricky little defense filler team if you have the team comp. and gear for it.
JTR/Palp/Troopers/Ewoks; gearing and modding dependent offensive counters to a lot of filler lever teams. Can be occasionally reused on defense vs players with a big mod advantage as their TM gain mechanics can outweight that a little. Optimal on offense as and when needed though and they have many high banner counters.
Nest/wampa in general; dependent on if you often see teams you can solo (I haven't seen one for ages) otherwise I prefer use to reduce the number of counters available to beat filler teams on defense.
R1/Phoenix/GR Jedi/Tuskans/Lobot..... if you find a use for them more power to you.

Lastly all of that goes out the window as soon as you review the opponents roster and spot a weakness you can exploit or a strength you need to compensate for.

Just wanted to say thank you for your post really appreciate the detailed analysis, my only question is who is DDK? other than that your comment was brilliant. slightly depressing as means I have lots of toons to grind but that’s the aim of the game ??

Sisters hardly net you max points on offence and are sure to steal points even if beaten in one go on defence.
So sisters certainly are throughout all devisions a good idea for defence.
Its similar with GG sep droids.

I assume at lower gp and devisions you see more bossk leads at higher gp it's all jango lead hunters.

Nest is awesome in lower gp gac for offence to solo teams, at higher gp you can forget about it, because there wont be a team she can solo and you rather beaf up a defence team with her.

Basically you want to be able to clear fully and put teams that can get holds or steal points.

At 5-6mil gp this concludes to the following best defence teams:

Drevan, gg, gas, sisters, nute + wat, jango and than the ice gets thinner because you need to keep enough for attacking. So the last 2 squads mostly are qira and any 8th squad.

"Baby_Yoda;c-2030325" wrote:
The best defense is offense.

Save your best teams for offense. Its foolproof

Until your opponent full clears your board with 60+ banners average while you realise that against some meta teams even a mirror match won't get you 55+ points.

Aside from knowing your GAC bracket, NS are better suited for defense and shaak ti is a better offense clone team and rex lead is the better defense team.