Best Defensive Team? GW/Arena

"Ikky2win;c-1637811" wrote:

"CHFC22;c-1637730" wrote:
We've just the enemy take 28 attempts at a zbastila, zbarriss, zgmy, gk & ezra squad. Still got the first 3 standing, with the first 2 full health & protection.

I think this is a lower gp vs higher gp thing. Most higher gp guilds should have plenty to take out squads like that. In fact, Qira lead plus Nest can take that team out and Qira doesn’t even need to be geared. She can die turn 1 and Nest will solo the team. Lower gp guilds will have issues though.

Why? Because Nest gains protection with every crit?

"Ikky2win;c-1637811" wrote:

"CHFC22;c-1637730" wrote:
We've just the enemy take 28 attempts at a zbastila, zbarriss, zgmy, gk & ezra squad. Still got the first 3 standing, with the first 2 full health & protection.

I think this is a lower gp vs higher gp thing. Most higher gp guilds should have plenty to take out squads like that. In fact, Qira lead plus Nest can take that team out and Qira doesn’t even need to be geared. She can die turn 1 and Nest will solo the team. Lower gp guilds will have issues though.

It was tactical. A wall of zbastila behind ns so they're weakened when they hit them. A wall of 90k nightmare & jtr above to channel the opposition. I'm not so sure taking it down would be quite as straightforward as you say, but yes, of course there are squads that can take it down.

I Posted the video in my comment above. We have people who use this method and it definitely works. Note that in the video he has Qira at g12. You don’t need to. Qira is going to die immediately no matter what. You just need her for her leadership, which continues working through death.

"Ikky2win;c-1637837" wrote:

"BubbaFett;c-1637820" wrote:

"Ikky2win;c-1637811" wrote:

"CHFC22;c-1637730" wrote:
We've just the enemy take 28 attempts at a zbastila, zbarriss, zgmy, gk & ezra squad. Still got the first 3 standing, with the first 2 full health & protection.

I think this is a lower gp vs higher gp thing. Most higher gp guilds should have plenty to take out squads like that. In fact, Qira lead plus Nest can take that team out and Qira doesn’t even need to be geared. She can die turn 1 and Nest will solo the team. Lower gp guilds will have issues though.

There is not a chance nest is going to kill that team by herself in less than 5 minutes.....

Here’s the video showing it. https://youtu.be/JDgO1zqfGak

We also had a 59k qi'ra, znest, t3, vandor & zaabaar (sp) last 12, which was fun.

That's awesome info thanks. So wouldn't that be great defensively? Does anyone know a strategy guide or have suggestions for which powered up characters would be great to hide in a weaker team for defense?

"Ikky2win;c-1637837" wrote:

"BubbaFett;c-1637820" wrote:

"Ikky2win;c-1637811" wrote:

"CHFC22;c-1637730" wrote:
We've just the enemy take 28 attempts at a zbastila, zbarriss, zgmy, gk & ezra squad. Still got the first 3 standing, with the first 2 full health & protection.

I think this is a lower gp vs higher gp thing. Most higher gp guilds should have plenty to take out squads like that. In fact, Qira lead plus Nest can take that team out and Qira doesn’t even need to be geared. She can die turn 1 and Nest will solo the team. Lower gp guilds will have issues though.

There is not a chance nest is going to kill that team by herself in less than 5 minutes.....

Here’s the video showing it. https://youtu.be/JDgO1zqfGak

A zbarriss under zbastila team is a different proposition than that in the video. It's more defensive, so better for TW. Still not convinced it would be autod without a daft amount of rng

"CHFC22;c-1638015" wrote:

"Ikky2win;c-1637837" wrote:

"BubbaFett;c-1637820" wrote:

"Ikky2win;c-1637811" wrote:

"CHFC22;c-1637730" wrote:
We've just the enemy take 28 attempts at a zbastila, zbarriss, zgmy, gk & ezra squad. Still got the first 3 standing, with the first 2 full health & protection.

I think this is a lower gp vs higher gp thing. Most higher gp guilds should have plenty to take out squads like that. In fact, Qira lead plus Nest can take that team out and Qira doesn’t even need to be geared. She can die turn 1 and Nest will solo the team. Lower gp guilds will have issues though.

There is not a chance nest is going to kill that team by herself in less than 5 minutes.....

Here’s the video showing it. https://youtu.be/JDgO1zqfGak

A zbarriss under zbastila team is a different proposition than that in the video. It's more defensive, so better for TW. Still not convinced it would be autod without a daft amount of rng

zBariss is replacing Hermit Yoda in that video right? So what is zBariss giving you? 20% health recovery when someone gets critically hit. Nest is hitting for over 40k at the end which is more health than anyone in that team has, even GK. That means once the protection is gone Nest is going to be one shotting people, making the zeta on zBariss do nothing. In the video you see Nest not quite one shotting people because they have a little bit of protection recovery from hyoda, but all a 20% heal is going to do is make it take one extra hit to kill the character. Meanwhile, the characters are going to be missing 25% defense and offense from hyodas master’s training. Less defense = taking more damage and less offense = higher surviabilty for nest. At best it’s a wash. zBariss shouldn’t change anything about what is shown in the video.

As far as not being convinced, I’m not sure what to tell you other than my guildmates do it all the time in both arena and TW. Can it fail? Sure if Nest isn’t modded properly or you’re using a lower starred Nest with less protection. More protection you have the more Nest recovers on a critical hit. Between Qira’s lead and Nests unique Nest should be critting every time and be recovering 10% protection every time.

"Ninjah9;c-1638012" wrote:
That's awesome info thanks. So wouldn't that be great defensively? Does anyone know a strategy guide or have suggestions for which powered up characters would be great to hide in a weaker team for defense?

Not really. I haven’t tried it defensively but if I’m facing that on defense I can choose characters that counter it. Daze, for example, means Nest isn’t going to counterattack. On the plus side your opponent is likely going to waste a full team trying to kill two characters.

Agree with what you said earlier, Zariss would make zero difference. Nest hit for 80k on one hit! Yea seems like you could hide it well and lure in a ton of weaker teams. Until they ultimately have to waste solid characters to kill her. I could also see many battles time out with this special nest qi'ra combo.

"Ninjah9;c-1636983" wrote:
Sorry I did mean TW. I'm under the impression that NS with a Asajj lead and paper zombie is better than Talzin lead

A wall of NS with Nest as 5th in TW can be quite tough to breach through.