Brainstorming counters to bastilla lead

"VonZant;c-1601194" wrote:
Obviously I havent fought them yet, but spitballing here: High damage single-target attacks that don't rely on debuffs would strip the protection up plus tenacity. CLS RHan Wiggs + Tank.

Boba on almost any team.

Bossk lead BH would stay topped off until the Jedi lose their protection.

Best way to beat teams with synergy is to throw as many OP toons in your team as possible.... Titan's/CLS rebels probably makes good work of it. The team doesn't have any source of Daze so counter attacks from high DPS targets should be devastating. Yoda's gonna take a ton of turns and hit the rebels constantly, CLS will get a ton of TM from his unique that way. Baze gets TM when enemy's gain buffs, so he'd probably be rather useful. CLS/Han/Chaze/R2 can probably beat it.
Rex lead w/ Wampa and friends should also work well.

Have fought a few battles against them using JTR squad with little trouble. Her Mind Tricks strips all of those buffs right off a single target that you can focus down one at a time. Thrawn's Fracture takes care of General Kenobi until you can get to him later.

https://youtu.be/I8Di48uuPBo

"HK666;c-1601293" wrote:
There's plenty of anti-buff people in the game. B2, Baze, Sion, IPD, Death, Ventress all have mass cleanses. Sion's cleanse can't be dodged (think AV is the same?), B2 will benifit off all the evades and assists called to throw his cleanse more often. If IPD can penetrate all the tenacity, buff immunity.

I've heard JTR's mind trick stop's basita's buff train before it begins

As long as I'm not lowballing the damage they put out. Hide the Nihilus teams probably work too. From that logic, building around toons with ever increasing damage (FOE/FOX, Young Han) till they absolutely tear the enemy apart could be interesting

Like people said taking CLS with his 50% defense and counter chance sounds great. CLS, Rhan, Chaze ( dispell and heals), +1. Be careful of using r2 and giving Yoda stealth, but Jedi aren't debuff heavy (outside of Old Ben and Aayla, right?) so the cleanse on crit shouldn't be important. +1 is prolly GK or Thrawn or Nest or Wampa or Hoda or any other plug toon. It'd be funny to see SiM become immortal because of all those buffs, but he doesn't have much for offense, soooo pass.

I don't think there is a single team doesn't hate getting hit by aoe daze

Hopefully HK will get reworked, join T3M4 and crush Jedi beneath their boot.

Edit-Is EP lead really stopped flat by Bastila? I know that tenacity makes it harder to rely on debuffs, but they do have some potency, and Sion's cleanse (which can't be timed on defense, I guess). Maybe call Tarkin down from the fleet?

I've tried ep lead a couple of times and nothing sticks. Can't land shock. Ocassionally get a pain but not often. Sion does get to use his aoe a kot due to pain not sticking so he woukd be a good dispeller on a team. The problem is that with the added protection, the team I face has 70 or 80k of protection to get through. And the jedi really do hit that much harder now. They take nihilas out in like 2 hits so not much chance of getting to anhilate. Sion doesn't act as much of a tank since there's no pain landing. No mass stuns going around. You dispel with sion and in a turn they have the buffs again. It just doesn't go well. Though to be fair this is a g12 7 star everyone but bastilla. The others are hermit, gmy, ezra, and gk. And based on the speeds pretty well modded. So some teams may be easier. But it is annoying when the only choice you have is a bastilla team or a handful of traya teams that are faster than you. I get closer against the trayas. I did sub palp out for fett and got at least one good hit in under vader lead but still wasn't enough.

I switched to JTR yesterday running Thrawn and GK - 100% win rate vs Bastilla. JTR's expose via her leadership can't be resisted regardless of tenacity, and fracture always works on everyone.

"Empiric1;c-1601381" wrote:
She's really not that strong - tons of teams beat her as it is evidenced by this thread. Sorry that you can't take rank1 any more with a single Palpatine team. Most top 10 players will have multiple teams to hold in meta changes not just a f2p palpa/Vader team

Sorry but I have 0 sympathy for Palpatine players.

This is:
a) irrelevant. The OP is clearly not crying that EP is no longer a guaranteed win, he/she is looking for suggestions for building multiple viable squads, exactly what you have criticised him/her for not having.
b) untrue. You're forgetting about newer shards. Nobody on my shard has more than 2-3 well-geared teams.

The most readily available team I can think of is Titans/CLS rebels for the same reason as someone above suggested - counters by multiple hard hitters, CLS has buff immunity and tenacity down, Baze has dispel. I'm focusing on HSR teams atm because I don't think many in my shard are planning to run Bastila but if she does start cropping up that's where I'd focus my first efforts.

"Iceih_SWG;c-1601899" wrote:
I just finished a fight with my Night Sisters against Bastila, GMY, Ezra, Old Ben and CLS, I could not apply plague to any Jedi, even though the battle was very easy.
It was a 140 position battle but I got the feeling that at any position it will happen with a 4* Bastila. She can not survive Talzin multi attack and Ventress unbuffed everybody.

I have ventress lead zetaed. Since yiu can't land plague anyway it may be better than talizen lead against jedi. Does give pretty good tm gain. And tm removal that can't be resisted. With daka zeted and a fast zombie you could just revive until ventress built the damage up to take someone out. Spam heals and you woyld get 50% tm everytime they hit you bringing you below full health.

Zaul

Boba Fett and Chopper can become very nasty opponents for Bastila-Jedi-Buff-Teams...
More than just a 'menace'...
I love it <3

"Empiric1;c-1602197" wrote:

"DarkHelmet1138;c-1601884" wrote:

"Empiric1;c-1601381" wrote:
She's really not that strong - tons of teams beat her as it is evidenced by this thread. Sorry that you can't take rank1 any more with a single Palpatine team. Most top 10 players will have multiple teams to hold in meta changes not just a f2p palpa/Vader team

Sorry but I have 0 sympathy for Palpatine players.

The point of this post isn't whinning because I don't take first. The bastilla team i mentioned isn't in first but it does seem to hold decent on defense. The point was clearly in the title. To brainstorm teams that work well against a new team. I'm fine with expanding my roster to stay in the upper end of arena but being ftp, I like to have more information before deciding what to focus on. With building raid teams simultaneously I don't have time for bringing a character up to g12 just to find out that it doesn't work like I thought.

Cool Resistance, Nightsisters, CLS/Wiggs Rebels, First Order, Traya lead, etc.

They only counter the Palpa team which was never meant to be this strong in the first place any way, it's ridiculous that a team with the most f2p characters in the game was 90% of the meta for the last 6 months any way.

Compare palp meta to bastilla. Palp and gmy are both easy legendaries. Sion and bastilla were both marques when they came out. Ezra is ftp and much easier to get than thrawn, vader, and nihlas. Hoda and gk take some time but are ftp farmable. Gk can also be easily substituted for old ben who is a fairly easy farm. So it's just as ftp friendly if not more so than the palp meta. And how do you know if it was meant to be meta or not? Do you read minds? Maybe CG wanted to sell sion. I would guess his marque sold really well as good as it is. Making him really good in an obtainable team probably helped sales more than if you had to have traya first. It probably worked because they are doing the same with bastilla.