Character Strategy: Han Solo

"CG_Conduit23;c-1209237" wrote:

"CG_Kozispoon;d-124682" wrote:
"the first time each turn Han uses his Basic attack he attacks again dealing 50% less damage"

"Each turn" means every ally (including Han) and enemy turn. "Han uses his Basic attack" is triggered when a player presses the button, when he counter attacks, or when he is called to assist.

Han can use his Basic on his turn, be called to Assist the next turn, and counter attack an enemy the following turn, and all of these uses of his Basic will trigger the bonus attack. The only limiter is that it can never happen more than once each (ally and enemy) turn.

So it's using the definition of "turn" that was used for Nute Gunray's leader ability before that leader ability was changed (to save the integrity of the raid)? I'm not trying to be snide about Nute/Jawas, just trying to get a good visualization of how it's going to work and that's the only mechanic similar to this that I can remember seeing. Any other mechanic that works the same way that can also show how this would work for a different comparison would be nice as well. @CG_Conduit23

Question (may have been answered already). If he does turn meter removal to targets above 50% meter, and bonus damage to those below 50%. What if they have exactly 50%?

"Vertigo;c-1209392" wrote:


So it's using the definition of "turn" that was used for Nute Gunray's leader ability before that leader ability was changed (to save the integrity of the raid)? I'm not trying to be snide about Nute/Jawas, just trying to get a good visualization of how it's going to work and that's the only mechanic similar to this that I can remember seeing. Any other mechanic that works the same way that can also show how this would work for a different comparison would be nice as well. @CG_Conduit23

No, that's the thing. Nute's leader ability states that its bonus is offered once to each ally on their turn, not once per (generic) turn. Nute's leadership was actually bugged to offer the latter, rather than what was written.

"Pyrefly;c-1209409" wrote:

"Vertigo;c-1209392" wrote:


So it's using the definition of "turn" that was used for Nute Gunray's leader ability before that leader ability was changed (to save the integrity of the raid)? I'm not trying to be snide about Nute/Jawas, just trying to get a good visualization of how it's going to work and that's the only mechanic similar to this that I can remember seeing. Any other mechanic that works the same way that can also show how this would work for a different comparison would be nice as well. @CG_Conduit23

No, that's the thing. Nute's leader ability states that its bonus is offered once to each ally on their turn, not once per (generic) turn. Nute's leadership was actually bugged to offer the latter, rather than what was written.

@Pyrefly It states "their turn" now, before it simply said once per turn. But I'm not trying to start a new conversation about what that was supposed to do, I'm asking about how that mechanic before it was changed is going to compare to Han Solo's new bonus attack because that was the closest thing I could think of that would compare to this.

"Zombie961;c-1209400" wrote:
Question (may have been answered already). If he does turn meter removal to targets above 50% meter, and bonus damage to those below 50%. What if they have exactly 50%?

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"Vertigo;c-1209419" wrote:

"Pyrefly;c-1209409" wrote:

"Vertigo;c-1209392" wrote:


So it's using the definition of "turn" that was used for Nute Gunray's leader ability before that leader ability was changed (to save the integrity of the raid)? I'm not trying to be snide about Nute/Jawas, just trying to get a good visualization of how it's going to work and that's the only mechanic similar to this that I can remember seeing. Any other mechanic that works the same way that can also show how this would work for a different comparison would be nice as well. @CG_Conduit23

No, that's the thing. Nute's leader ability states that its bonus is offered once to each ally on their turn, not once per (generic) turn. Nute's leadership was actually bugged to offer the latter, rather than what was written.

@Pyrefly It states "their turn" now, before it simply said once per turn. But I'm not trying to start a new conversation about what that was supposed to do, I'm asking about how that mechanic before it was changed is going to compare to Han Solo's new bonus attack because that was the closest thing I could think of that would compare to this.

If you want a less value-laden comparison, a better one would be Chirrut's unique Resolute Endurance: "At the start of each turn, if Chirrut Imwe is alive, all allies with Heal Over Time recover 4% of their Max Health." That uses the same interpretation of "each turn" to include each ally and enemy turn.

I honestly think the raid characters should not have Zetas. They already take while to unlock and they should be great without them, like Kenobi currently is. It takes so long to get Zetas in the first place too.

Also, I don't like Zetas being a major part of some of these reworks. Not saying all great abilities are locked behind them but of you rework a toon it seems like a zeta shouldn't be the main thing making them "better", it should only add.

Again, not saying everyone is great because of a zeta but reworks shouldn't include them right away.

I honestly think the raid characters should not have Zetas. They already take while to unlock and they should be great without them, like Kenobi currently is. It takes so long to get Zetas in the first place too.

Also, I don't like Zetas being a major part of some of these reworks. Not saying all great abilities are locked behind them but of you rework a toon it seems like a zeta shouldn't be the main thing making them "better", it should only add.

Again, not saying everyone is great because of a zeta but reworks shouldn't include them right away.

Anyways I do think this is the best rework out of ANH characters. Very excited to use raid Han again.

"Trez;c-1209468" wrote:

Fair enough about it being clone wars Chewie. But yes, he did get an update. He has a zeta. It just wasn't part of this specific rework.

Also fair enough, but a new synergy would really only come with a full rework/pass, as it would require new mechanics on (and thus testing of) more than one character. A lot of characters got token zetas when they were released. I wonder just how many CheZies are out there...

"Pyrefly;c-1209472" wrote:

"Vertigo;c-1209419" wrote:

"Pyrefly;c-1209409" wrote:

"Vertigo;c-1209392" wrote:


So it's using the definition of "turn" that was used for Nute Gunray's leader ability before that leader ability was changed (to save the integrity of the raid)? I'm not trying to be snide about Nute/Jawas, just trying to get a good visualization of how it's going to work and that's the only mechanic similar to this that I can remember seeing. Any other mechanic that works the same way that can also show how this would work for a different comparison would be nice as well. @CG_Conduit23

No, that's the thing. Nute's leader ability states that its bonus is offered once to each ally on their turn, not once per (generic) turn. Nute's leadership was actually bugged to offer the latter, rather than what was written.

@Pyrefly It states "their turn" now, before it simply said once per turn. But I'm not trying to start a new conversation about what that was supposed to do, I'm asking about how that mechanic before it was changed is going to compare to Han Solo's new bonus attack because that was the closest thing I could think of that would compare to this.

If you want a less value-laden comparison, a better one would be Chirrut's unique Resolute Endurance: "At the start of each turn, if Chirrut Imwe is alive, all allies with Heal Over Time recover 4% of their Max Health." That uses the same interpretation of "each turn" to include each ally and enemy turn.

Yeah, but that doesn't have the ability to trigger more than once per turn, whereas bonus attacks and other attacks would potentially have the ability to occur more than once per turn depending on how many assists and bonus attacks are being called. But I guess that's a little closer to what we can expect from the rework...