"10% offense and the 1st time each turn she resists an effect or suffers a rebuff she gains 35% offense stacking. "I just don't understand how it can be '1st time each turn" and stacking. Help on clarification of what it means because I am thinking about doing the zeta and modding her just like a slow high tenacity nest.

"Iy4oy4s;c-2066456" wrote:"TheJEFFtm;c-2066446" wrote:"Mephisto_style;c-2066429" wrote:"Gifafi;c-2066420" wrote:"Mephisto_style;c-2066419" wrote:"Gifafi;c-2066414" wrote:"Mephisto_style;c-2066413" wrote:Most any toon can put on you at 1 time is 3 right? relevance? and no. dbastDoubling ROLO's offense doesn't seem worth it.It's not double it's 35% per time and oh my wookie you are talking about her zeta??!?!!I am considering only using her in Vader situations, 3* 35 approximately 100% or doubleShe is such a waste of a kitDoesn’t work that way....Vader takes a turn, 3 dots. First one of those 3, ROLO gains 35% offense.Palp takes a turn, tries to stun. ROLO gains 35% offense (70%)Tarkin does his debuff AOE, ROLO gains 35% offenseTFP does AOE, ROLO gains 35% offense.Thrawn fractures old Ben. ROLO gets nothing.Vader saber tosses R2, ROLO gets nothingVader basics ROLO for ability block, ROLO gets 35% offenseAnd so on.She can only gain 35% per character turn (and only if the enemy does an ability that attempts -successfully or not - to apply a debuff to ROLO)A Zader dot refresh would probably give her 35% offense on her own turn as well.I don’t think it works like that. I think it’s based on her turns, not the enemy turns. So she can only get 35% once, then she has to have a turn to start stacking on that. If your case was in fact true, she would have an insane offensive increase in a very short time, too much. She would be insane at r7, but I’ve yet to see an r7 Rolo anywhere. It does work like that, but you have to read the whole ability to realize why it's not that useful:Leia has +10% Offense and +40% Tenacity. The first time each turn Leia Resists a detrimental effect or suffers a debuff she gains 15% Turn Meter and gains 35% Offense (stacking) until the end of her next turn.

"chionophile;c-2066664" wrote:"Mephisto_style;c-2066586" wrote:Well, her zeta is good if "the 1st time" means the other team can take 10 turns debuffing and she gets 10 stacks of 35% offense. Then her AOE is like Tarkin's from stacked potency. Put her high tenacity with no added speed and she might get her offense jacked up before her turn. The big problem with the strategy is the 45% TM from her leading and resisting.This can't ever actually happen. She gains TM as well as offense when someone tries to debuff her, so she'll take her turn way before 10 attempted debuffs and dispel all her offense stacks at the end of her turn.Edit: Even if she didn't gain TM, the best you could hope for is 5 attempted debuffs, and only if she's slower than the entire opposing team. Not strictly true... TM reduction (wether from an ability or a debuff like stagger), daze or shock to prevent the TM gain, plus an extremely high TM gain opposing team (like the above theoretical Palpatine example I used, where shock is also likely to be a player) could stretch it a bit higher, but as an attacker, she also isn’t likely to have the health pool to go the distance either to make it worth while if you are banking on her to be a one shot AOE of doomIt’s certainly an interesting theory craft, but I think it would very much be an extreme corner case, and probably not worth investing in as a dependable team. But it is a fun idea to chew over online to see if there is any merit to it!

Meaning it only happens once per turn. Multiple toons can cause multiple debuffs at the same time, it’s saying that she only gets the 35% for the first debuff and not the others.

Most any toon can put on you at 1 time is 3 right?

"Mephisto_style;c-2066413" wrote:Most any toon can put on you at 1 time is 3 right? relevance? and no. dbast

Curious about Leia's Dauntless wording

chionophobe
5 years ago
"Iy4oy4s;c-2066456" wrote:
"TheJEFFtm;c-2066446" wrote:
"Mephisto_style;c-2066429" wrote:
"Gifafi;c-2066420" wrote:
"Mephisto_style;c-2066419" wrote:
"Gifafi;c-2066414" wrote:
"Mephisto_style;c-2066413" wrote:
Most any toon can put on you at 1 time is 3 right?

relevance? and no. dbast

Doubling ROLO's offense doesn't seem worth it.

It's not double it's 35% per time and oh my wookie you are talking about her zeta??!?!!

I am considering only using her in Vader situations, 3* 35 approximately 100% or double

She is such a waste of a kit

Doesn’t work that way....
Vader takes a turn, 3 dots. First one of those 3, ROLO gains 35% offense.
Palp takes a turn, tries to stun. ROLO gains 35% offense (70%)
Tarkin does his debuff AOE, ROLO gains 35% offense
TFP does AOE, ROLO gains 35% offense.
Thrawn fractures old Ben. ROLO gets nothing.
Vader saber tosses R2, ROLO gets nothing
Vader basics ROLO for ability block, ROLO gets 35% offense

And so on.

She can only gain 35% per character turn (and only if the enemy does an ability that attempts -successfully or not - to apply a debuff to ROLO)

A Zader dot refresh would probably give her 35% offense on her own turn as well.

I don’t think it works like that. I think it’s based on her turns, not the enemy turns. So she can only get 35% once, then she has to have a turn to start stacking on that. If your case was in fact true, she would have an insane offensive increase in a very short time, too much. She would be insane at r7, but I’ve yet to see an r7 Rolo anywhere.

It does work like that, but you have to read the whole ability to realize why it's not that useful:

Leia has +10% Offense and +40% Tenacity. The first time each turn Leia Resists a detrimental effect or suffers a debuff she gains 15% Turn Meter and gains 35% Offense (stacking) until the end of her next turn.
TheJEFFtm
5 years ago
"chionophile;c-2066664" wrote:
"Mephisto_style;c-2066586" wrote:
Well, her zeta is good if "the 1st time" means the other team can take 10 turns debuffing and she gets 10 stacks of 35% offense. Then her AOE is like Tarkin's from stacked potency. Put her high tenacity with no added speed and she might get her offense jacked up before her turn.
The big problem with the strategy is the 45% TM from her leading and resisting.

This can't ever actually happen. She gains TM as well as offense when someone tries to debuff her, so she'll take her turn way before 10 attempted debuffs and dispel all her offense stacks at the end of her turn.

Edit: Even if she didn't gain TM, the best you could hope for is 5 attempted debuffs, and only if she's slower than the entire opposing team.

Not strictly true... TM reduction (wether from an ability or a debuff like stagger), daze or shock to prevent the TM gain, plus an extremely high TM gain opposing team (like the above theoretical Palpatine example I used, where shock is also likely to be a player) could stretch it a bit higher, but as an attacker, she also isn’t likely to have the health pool to go the distance either to make it worth while if you are banking on her to be a one shot AOE of doom

It’s certainly an interesting theory craft, but I think it would very much be an extreme corner case, and probably not worth investing in as a dependable team. But it is a fun idea to chew over online to see if there is any merit to it!
Iy4oy4s
New Novice
5 years ago
Meaning it only happens once per turn. Multiple toons can cause multiple debuffs at the same time, it’s saying that she only gets the 35% for the first debuff and not the others.
Mephisto_style
5 years ago
Most any toon can put on you at 1 time is 3 right?
GifafiTho
5 years ago
"Mephisto_style;c-2066413" wrote:
Most any toon can put on you at 1 time is 3 right?

relevance? and no. dbast
Mephisto_style
5 years ago
"Gifafi;c-2066414" wrote:
"Mephisto_style;c-2066413" wrote:
Most any toon can put on you at 1 time is 3 right?

relevance? and no. dbast

Doubling ROLO's offense doesn't seem worth it.
GifafiTho
5 years ago
"Mephisto_style;c-2066419" wrote:
"Gifafi;c-2066414" wrote:
"Mephisto_style;c-2066413" wrote:
Most any toon can put on you at 1 time is 3 right?

relevance? and no. dbast

Doubling ROLO's offense doesn't seem worth it.

It's not double it's 35% per time and oh my wookie you are talking about her zeta??!?!!
Mephisto_style
5 years ago
"Gifafi;c-2066420" wrote:
"Mephisto_style;c-2066419" wrote:
"Gifafi;c-2066414" wrote:
"Mephisto_style;c-2066413" wrote:
Most any toon can put on you at 1 time is 3 right?

relevance? and no. dbast

Doubling ROLO's offense doesn't seem worth it.

It's not double it's 35% per time and oh my wookie you are talking about her zeta??!?!!

I am considering only using her in Vader situations, 3* 35 approximately 100% or double

She is such a waste of a kit
TheJEFFtm
5 years ago
"Mephisto_style;c-2066429" wrote:
"Gifafi;c-2066420" wrote:
"Mephisto_style;c-2066419" wrote:
"Gifafi;c-2066414" wrote:
"Mephisto_style;c-2066413" wrote:
Most any toon can put on you at 1 time is 3 right?

relevance? and no. dbast

Doubling ROLO's offense doesn't seem worth it.

It's not double it's 35% per time and oh my wookie you are talking about her zeta??!?!!

I am considering only using her in Vader situations, 3* 35 approximately 100% or double

She is such a waste of a kit

Doesn’t work that way....
Vader takes a turn, 3 dots. First one of those 3, ROLO gains 35% offense.
Palp takes a turn, tries to stun. ROLO gains 35% offense (70%)
Tarkin does his debuff AOE, ROLO gains 35% offense
TFP does AOE, ROLO gains 35% offense.
Thrawn fractures old Ben. ROLO gets nothing.
Vader saber tosses R2, ROLO gets nothing
Vader basics ROLO for ability block, ROLO gets 35% offense

And so on.

She can only gain 35% per character turn (and only if the enemy does an ability that attempts -successfully or not - to apply a debuff to ROLO)

A Zader dot refresh would probably give her 35% offense on her own turn as well.
Iy4oy4s
New Novice
5 years ago
"TheJEFFtm;c-2066446" wrote:
"Mephisto_style;c-2066429" wrote:
"Gifafi;c-2066420" wrote:
"Mephisto_style;c-2066419" wrote:
"Gifafi;c-2066414" wrote:
"Mephisto_style;c-2066413" wrote:
Most any toon can put on you at 1 time is 3 right?

relevance? and no. dbast

Doubling ROLO's offense doesn't seem worth it.

It's not double it's 35% per time and oh my wookie you are talking about her zeta??!?!!

I am considering only using her in Vader situations, 3* 35 approximately 100% or double

She is such a waste of a kit

Doesn’t work that way....
Vader takes a turn, 3 dots. First one of those 3, ROLO gains 35% offense.
Palp takes a turn, tries to stun. ROLO gains 35% offense (70%)
Tarkin does his debuff AOE, ROLO gains 35% offense
TFP does AOE, ROLO gains 35% offense.
Thrawn fractures old Ben. ROLO gets nothing.
Vader saber tosses R2, ROLO gets nothing
Vader basics ROLO for ability block, ROLO gets 35% offense

And so on.

She can only gain 35% per character turn (and only if the enemy does an ability that attempts -successfully or not - to apply a debuff to ROLO)

A Zader dot refresh would probably give her 35% offense on her own turn as well.

I don’t think it works like that. I think it’s based on her turns, not the enemy turns. So she can only get 35% once, then she has to have a turn to start stacking on that. If your case was in fact true, she would have an insane offensive increase in a very short time, too much. She would be insane at r7, but I’ve yet to see an r7 Rolo anywhere.