Darth Revan & Malak- Why should He be able to Hold on Defense?

Then what's the "payoff" for investing all the time, crystals, and/or cash into earning Darth Revan and Malak?

Ostensibly it's to get higher raid scores, more resources, and stay at the top of the arena. I enjoy arena, and I enjoy the Darth Revan mirror matches way more than Jedi Revan mirror matches. That being said, I also enjoy only having to do 3-4 battles to get to #1, instead of 9-10. It takes considerably less of my day to do so.

"jkray622;c-1840607" wrote:
Then what's the "payoff" for investing all the time, crystals, and/or cash into earning Darth Revan and Malak?

Except that was never a "payoff" promised, nor has that ever been the case in the 3+ year history of the game. And, such a reality would fly in the face of what CG has always intended - that is active arena play to obtain top payouts.

That's why the AI stinks, refreshes cost crystals, there's a timer, and there's a cool down timer between battles.

Nothing holds on defense. That's WAI and by design. DR + Malak is not going to be the first exception in 3+ years.

He lets you breeze on offense, and forces them to play hard and hope for some rng on defense. you can not expect them to nerf everything in the game to make sure he can't be beat tho. It's idiotic to even think

"Nikoms565;c-1840611" wrote:

"jkray622;c-1840607" wrote:
Then what's the "payoff" for investing all the time, crystals, and/or cash into earning Darth Revan and Malak?

Nothing holds on defense. That's WAI and by design. DR + Malak is not going to be the first exception in 3+ years.

When Traya first came out, it was very difficult to defeat her. Strategies had to be developed, and most players still wanted to avoid Traya when there were only a few in the shard. It was just easier to attack the older squads.

Then, when Jedi Revan first came out, it held hard on defense. Enemy Traya players struggled mightily, and could only win with great RNG. Then Bastila fallen came out and made life easier for Traya players, but Revan could still cut through them easily. Players with great mods and strong Revan squads still floated close to the top even after 24 hours.

When Revan returned, a huge chunk of my shard got him, and all of a sudden players who normally didn't drop out of the top 20 could get knocked down into the 80s overnight. Sure, we could all still get to our traditional payouts, but it took a lot more playtime and was very annoying.

With Darth Revan, the players who got him were looking for a return to a similar standing like when Traya and Jedi Revan were first released. That is exactly how it has worked in the past, and exactly what most of the Malak players are hoping for right now.

"jkray622;c-1840632" wrote:

"Nikoms565;c-1840611" wrote:

"jkray622;c-1840607" wrote:
Then what's the "payoff" for investing all the time, crystals, and/or cash into earning Darth Revan and Malak?

Nothing holds on defense. That's WAI and by design. DR + Malak is not going to be the first exception in 3+ years.

When Traya first came out, it was very difficult to defeat her. Strategies had to be developed, and most players still wanted to avoid Traya when there were only a few in the shard. It was just easier to attack the older squads.

Then, when Jedi Revan first came out, it held hard on defense. Enemy Traya players struggled mightily, and could only win with great RNG. Then Bastila fallen came out and made life easier for Traya players, but Revan could still cut through them easily. Players with great mods and strong Revan squads still floated close to the top even after 24 hours.

When Revan returned, a huge chunk of my shard got him, and all of a sudden players who normally didn't drop out of the top 20 could get knocked down into the 80s overnight. Sure, we could all still get to our traditional payouts, but it took a lot more playtime and was very annoying.

With Darth Revan, the players who got him were looking for a return to a similar standing like when Traya and Jedi Revan were first released. That is exactly how it has worked in the past, and exactly what most of the Malak players are hoping for right now.

There's a difference between "difficult to work out counters" and "holding on defense".

"Nikoms565;c-1840644" wrote:

"jkray622;c-1840632" wrote:

"Nikoms565;c-1840611" wrote:

"jkray622;c-1840607" wrote:
Then what's the "payoff" for investing all the time, crystals, and/or cash into earning Darth Revan and Malak?

Nothing holds on defense. That's WAI and by design. DR + Malak is not going to be the first exception in 3+ years.

When Traya first came out, it was very difficult to defeat her. Strategies had to be developed, and most players still wanted to avoid Traya when there were only a few in the shard. It was just easier to attack the older squads.

Then, when Jedi Revan first came out, it held hard on defense. Enemy Traya players struggled mightily, and could only win with great RNG. Then Bastila fallen came out and made life easier for Traya players, but Revan could still cut through them easily. Players with great mods and strong Revan squads still floated close to the top even after 24 hours.

When Revan returned, a huge chunk of my shard got him, and all of a sudden players who normally didn't drop out of the top 20 could get knocked down into the 80s overnight. Sure, we could all still get to our traditional payouts, but it took a lot more playtime and was very annoying.

With Darth Revan, the players who got him were looking for a return to a similar standing like when Traya and Jedi Revan were first released. That is exactly how it has worked in the past, and exactly what most of the Malak players are hoping for right now.

There's a difference between "difficult to work out counters" and "holding on defense".

Absolutely. And the definition of each of those is subjective and relative to each player.

For me, "holding on defense" means that attacking the squad comes with a significant risk of loss for the majority of players. So hopefully the majority of players will choose to attack other squads instead of mine. I will only fall when players want the challenge of my squad, feel attacking me is their best option, or have a squad they believe is capable of easily defeating mine.

I don't expect Revan/Malak to "hold on defense" for 6 months. Absolutely not. I guess maybe a month, tops. It could be less than that - we shall see. I'm just expressing what I would like to see, and also what I feel is not unreasonable for players who invested in Malak. I don't expect the Devs to individually target each character that the community comes up with as a viable counter.

Why should a TANK that require the two hardest toons to get and their squads well geared and modded hold on defense? Gee I don't know should it??

"jkray622;c-1840607" wrote:
Then what's the "payoff" for investing all the time, crystals, and/or cash into earning Darth Revan and Malak?

Ostensibly it's to get higher raid scores, more resources, and stay at the top of the arena. I enjoy arena, and I enjoy the Darth Revan mirror matches way more than Jedi Revan mirror matches. That being said, I also enjoy only having to do 3-4 battles to get to #1, instead of 9-10. It takes considerably less of my day to do so.

What’s the payoff for any other new character, or any old character? There shouldn’t be a guarantee for any character. There was no guarantee for JKR, there was no guarantee for GG. What about characters that actually couldn’t be obtained without paying? Nobody ever said “Krooper should be unbeatable” and the 2 probably cost more than the entire 2 teams needed for Malak.

"jkray622;c-1840607" wrote:
Then what's the "payoff" for investing all the time, crystals, and/or cash into earning Darth Revan and Malak?

Ostensibly it's to get higher raid scores, more resources, and stay at the top of the arena. I enjoy arena, and I enjoy the Darth Revan mirror matches way more than Jedi Revan mirror matches. That being said, I also enjoy only having to do 3-4 battles to get to #1, instead of 9-10. It takes considerably less of my day to do so.

That's exactly the question people asked when it turned out that Grievous fell like a rock on defense. The answer was basically that they'd acquired a great team for GA and were supposed to experiment in the arena to find out what works best. Also, their mods might not be ideal.

Why should it be different for DR, who is also very offense-oriented? Especially since players who already unlocked Malak have two Revan teams to work with. Why not use one to climb and put the other on defense.

"Dagonsith;c-1840698" wrote:
Why should a TANK that require the two hardest toons to get and their squads well geared and modded hold on defense? Gee I don't know should it??

Is there any tank in the game who makes a team near-unbeatable? They're all just annoyances in the end that make it a little harder to take out the damage dealers that keep hammering away at the attacking team. You either dispel them and leave them for last or go through them. What prevents you from winning is usually your team getting slaughtered by the rest of the enemy team.