Going for potency, tenacity, survivability and perhaps some offense seems obvious but is it at all useful to go for a bit of speed on secondaries or should you avoid speed altogether?I guess it would depend on how the 100% tm gain works exactly:If this means that at whatever amount of tm you have at the moment relentless barrage tm gain kicks in, your tm bar is filled up to 100%tm and you start at 0 + your usual tm gain next turn, than speed would be of no use. Being slow, relentless barrage would trigger before you can make a regular turn. If however the excess tm after gaining the 100% is added to your regular tm gain, speed would be useful.Any thought?

Whenever a character takes a turn their TM resets to zero. He wouldn't go back to the TM he had before the turn provided by Relentless Barrage, or keep any excess created by it.

"Treeburner;c-2170091" wrote:"UdalCuain;c-2170054" wrote:Whenever a character takes a turn their TM resets to zero. He wouldn't go back to the TM he had before the turn provided by Relentless Barrage, or keep any excess created by it. It's 100% turn meter not a bonus turn once he gains his 100% after that turn he is in 0 like everyone else, I don't think he will go back to his TM after his turn Which is what I said?

I certainly wouldn't put a speed set on him in favor of boosting something else, and maybe you could even forego the arrow in favor of offense or prot as well. I wouldn't say you need to aim for +0 speed (how many 0 speed mods do you keep, anyway?), as his 100% tm gain is only a 40% proc. Yes, if their team goes a lot or has foresight he can get it, but your allies being evaded or taking damage is generally a situation you want to avoid. Speed will obviously help him get turns in between procs and also help get early turn advantage. Also, with the tm overflow changes, that means if their whole tm gets 100%, they could proc b2 on their first attack, but a slow b2 will still go last. Whereas a faster one could possibly get multiple turn procs and go a couple of times while they are still taking their turns. Speed is always good, unless you have a guaranteed tm loop.

"crzydroid;c-2170094" wrote:I certainly wouldn't put a speed set on him in favor of boosting something else, and maybe you could even forego the arrow in favor of offense or prot as well.Arrow should be CA, not speed or anything else. You might want some secondary speed on your sets for the reasoning you gave with the cycling of turns, but B2's arrow should never be speed primary.

"UdalCuain;c-2170093" wrote:"Treeburner;c-2170091" wrote:"UdalCuain;c-2170054" wrote:Whenever a character takes a turn their TM resets to zero. He wouldn't go back to the TM he had before the turn provided by Relentless Barrage, or keep any excess created by it. It's 100% turn meter not a bonus turn once he gains his 100% after that turn he is in 0 like everyone else, I don't think he will go back to his TM after his turn Which is what I said? Miss read sorry .

Does B2 benefit from speed at all?

ChristophIV
Hero+
5 years ago
Whenever a character takes a turn their TM resets to zero. He wouldn't go back to the TM he had before the turn provided by Relentless Barrage, or keep any excess created by it.
ChristophIV
Hero+
5 years ago
"Treeburner;c-2170091" wrote:
"UdalCuain;c-2170054" wrote:
Whenever a character takes a turn their TM resets to zero. He wouldn't go back to the TM he had before the turn provided by Relentless Barrage, or keep any excess created by it.

It's 100% turn meter not a bonus turn once he gains his 100% after that turn he is in 0 like everyone else, I don't think he will go back to his TM after his turn

Which is what I said?
crzydroid
New Scout
5 years ago
I certainly wouldn't put a speed set on him in favor of boosting something else, and maybe you could even forego the arrow in favor of offense or prot as well. I wouldn't say you need to aim for +0 speed (how many 0 speed mods do you keep, anyway?), as his 100% tm gain is only a 40% proc. Yes, if their team goes a lot or has foresight he can get it, but your allies being evaded or taking damage is generally a situation you want to avoid.

Speed will obviously help him get turns in between procs and also help get early turn advantage. Also, with the tm overflow changes, that means if their whole tm gets 100%, they could proc b2 on their first attack, but a slow b2 will still go last. Whereas a faster one could possibly get multiple turn procs and go a couple of times while they are still taking their turns. Speed is always good, unless you have a guaranteed tm loop.
RSithLord
5 years ago
"crzydroid;c-2170094" wrote:
I certainly wouldn't put a speed set on him in favor of boosting something else, and maybe you could even forego the arrow in favor of offense or prot as well.

Arrow should be CA, not speed or anything else. You might want some secondary speed on your sets for the reasoning you gave with the cycling of turns, but B2's arrow should never be speed primary.
treebunner
5 years ago
"UdalCuain;c-2170093" wrote:
"Treeburner;c-2170091" wrote:
"UdalCuain;c-2170054" wrote:
Whenever a character takes a turn their TM resets to zero. He wouldn't go back to the TM he had before the turn provided by Relentless Barrage, or keep any excess created by it.

It's 100% turn meter not a bonus turn once he gains his 100% after that turn he is in 0 like everyone else, I don't think he will go back to his TM after his turn

Which is what I said?

Miss read sorry .
Mephisto_style
5 years ago
No speed in the realm of not horrible opponents often means you need +70 to + 100 speed or your character Is not going to take a turn. Droideka and slow high tenacity Nest are the toons that you can not add speed to, and even then people often bring it to 180ish so it can have the +50% speed bringing it to around 270 just to get shield up quick.

Yes, the TM mechanics are there but they are not = win. Not once have I ever checked an opponent's B2 speed thinking my winning would hinge on it being slow. But if it was slow, I would like that
tvsfrink
5 years ago
"Mephisto_style;c-2171638" wrote:
No speed in the realm of not horrible opponents often means you need +70 to + 100 speed or your character Is not going to take a turn. Droideka and slow high tenacity Nest are the toons that you can not add speed to, and even then people often bring it to 180ish so it can have the +50% speed bringing it to around 270 just to get shield up quick.

Yes, the TM mechanics are there but they are not = win. Not once have I ever checked an opponent's B2 speed thinking my winning would hinge on it being slow. But if it was slow, I would like that

Have you looked at B2's kit?

Have you ever fought a B2?

Have you seen it consistently not gain 100%TM?

If it's slow it has better other stats. Speed on B2 is irrelevant the large majority of the time.
Mephisto_style
5 years ago
"TVF;c-2171675" wrote:
"Mephisto_style;c-2171638" wrote:
No speed in the realm of not horrible opponents often means you need +70 to + 100 speed or your character Is not going to take a turn. Droideka and slow high tenacity Nest are the toons that you can not add speed to, and even then people often bring it to 180ish so it can have the +50% speed bringing it to around 270 just to get shield up quick.

Yes, the TM mechanics are there but they are not = win. Not once have I ever checked an opponent's B2 speed thinking my winning would hinge on it being slow. But if it was slow, I would like that

Have you looked at B2's kit?

Have you ever fought a B2?

Have you seen it consistently not gain 100%TM?

If it's slow it has better other stats. Speed on B2 is irrelevant the large majority of the time.

No
tvsfrink
5 years ago
Lol
GifafiTho
5 years ago
well it's 40% every time an ally is hit or gets evaded, and his allies attack constantly. I remember thinking "40% isn't much) but it's 40% x roughly 8 billion every turn, so it will happen a lot.