Does Taunt ruin Fives' zeta?
Language on Fives' zeta: When another 501st Clone Trooper ally would be defeated while Fives is active, they recover 100% health and Fives is defeated instead. If Fives is defeated this way, 50...
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"MasterSeedy;c-1974211" wrote:
@WoodrowardOP you're basically looking at this entirely backwards. ...
5s's job is not to die to his ability and spread stats, it is to die first. His ability is there to back up his taunt and make sure he dies first. The taunt does not lessen the impact of the ability. The ability improves the impact of the taunt.
LOL. No, you're making my point for me. The taunt tries to guarantee that the zeta ability does not activate.
IF the job of Fives is to die first, then feeding precious zeta mats to him for an ability that only works when he DOESN'T do his job is wrong headed. it doesn't help him accomplish his mission. It only activates when Fives fails to WAI.
So what about the Taunt? Well, if it's effective, it guarantees that you wasted your zeta mats.
If it's not effective (and there are many ways these day to bypass or dispel or prevent taunt), then the zeta ability forces you to target Fives anyway, because the consequences of targeting someone else are bad.
In that case, why would I waste the omegas on a Taunt ability?
You see, the zeta forces everyone to target Fives in a way that is completely not dispel-able. It's baked into the fundamentals of the character. So why would Fives ever need Taunt? He doesn't.
So if you look at his job as to die first, the omega ability is a waste. It's the zeta ability that will force people to target 5s whether or not he Taunts. His taunt would just get dispelled or prevented like all the other non-auto taunts in the game that have long since outlived their usefulness.
If you look at his job as to die gloriously and spread his stats around, the omega ability is worse than a waste: it makes it less likely that the zeta will ever be activated.
Either way, the Omega ability is just plain stew-pid. The fact that no matter how you look at it the taunt is incredibly poorly conceived is what made me create this thread in the first place. If it was merely a matter of the taunt favoring one strategy over another, then I would choose to omega the ability or not depending on which strategy I preferred, but I wouldn't think something was wrong with the kit. The problem is no matter which strategy you prefer, Fives drawing fire or Fives sacrificing to increase 501st power, the taunt is ineffective at best.
I will never Omega that ability for Fives. His zeta alone will draw all fire away from my attackers against skilled opponents, and against the AI and/or less capable opponents, the zeta combined with lack of taunt will bait them into a trap that gives my other 501st clones an insane amount of power.
Save your mats. Never omega "Cover Fire".
I argued against the zeta being useless working against the taunt as it is, especially with rex’s Cooldown zeta and fives TM gains with this taunt. It’s a good idea implemented on a toon with the worst kit for it.
They could just tweak it that every time fives goes under 100hp or 50hp another 501 is marked or all troopers stealth except echo for 1 to 2 turns. Would make for interesting battles
