Droid strats and comps in the meta

"DanielOng;c-1280849" wrote:
CLS baze GK RHS r2

RHS zaps r2 and it all goes sideways from there; (edit AI will use AOE from 47, 88 and B2 and just watch RHS counter)

Sure the buffs from that special looks nice, though baze will be laughing himself to the bank once you use it.

BB looks good on paper and in a protracted fight but droids will see plenty of rage quit in the early 1 min of the game when ig88 dies.

Baze would be dead by the time you get the buff

So would ig88...

Btw do you droid users have a discord server for such discussions?

"Ig88isboss;c-1280883" wrote:

"DanielOng;c-1280849" wrote:
CLS baze GK RHS r2

RHS zaps r2 and it all goes sideways from there; (edit AI will use AOE from 47, 88 and B2 and just watch RHS counter)

Sure the buffs from that special looks nice, though baze will be laughing himself to the bank once you use it.

BB looks good on paper and in a protracted fight but droids will see plenty of rage quit in the early 1 min of the game when ig88 dies.

Baze would be dead by the time you get the buff

I actually stopped finding Baze and Chirrut a problem for my droids some time ago. Even when accompanied by GK.

CLS is troublesome, but R2 is the answer to him. If Raid Han is present and stuns R2 for his opening turn, there is always BB8's daze to fall back on if necessary. If necessary, AoE can be held back on for one turn until R2 isn't stunned and can smoke screen. The nice thing about having Jawa Engineer in comp is that a single stun isn't enough to keep the droids from going first with all the tm gain they have.

The magic number we want to reach at the end of the first 3 rounds is a 35 turn reduction on the cooldown since that will give us the 2 super hard hitting turns at the end of the next 3 turns. We're ~20 turns over that limit, so missing an Aoe or some crits in the starting zerg isn't going to be a show stopper here.

As far as Baze's AoE buff wipe, with both HK and 88, there's an extremely high chance of him being ability blocked for what is likely to be the only turn he gets to take. If he does go and use it in that one turn, he'll only be wiping secret intel and JE's crit chance buff. If he somehow manages to live through the 5 rounds of attacks before he gets to go again, the buffs from BB8 will be all used up already, and the ability would be on cooldown anyway.

Baze is really no threat to this comp. Raid Han under CLS is probably the biggest issue, but I honestly see him as more likely to target Jawa Engineer than R2 or 88. Then if they do manage to kill someone off, there is always Jawa Engineer to revive them.

I honestly am seeing this as a very solid comp. Just not sure who would be best to sub out for B2 when up against a GK. Would probably depend on the rest of the comp.

I hope BB8 will do some work, droids are my first love and i sadly switched to another main team (empire - also underdog but very viable at arena etc.) - i have collected all droids 7*/purple gear and crossed my fingers for a IG100&Grievous Rework this year. Now BB8 is not a rework or Droideka but at least seems powerfull enough to think about droids again.

I like your Ideas about super powerfull openers and JE as a "backup" but i was never a fan of the little Jawa that do more or less nothing than push TM (it would be a little better if he gets the assist-raid ability...) so if the ideas above will not work i would lean to a tankier droid squad:

HK, R2, BB8, K2 and IG100 - its a lot of HP/Prot mixed up with Foresight/Stealth and 3 counterattacks (which will also feed crit-tm-train and reduce BB8 CD). K2 and IG100 will apply offense down over the enemy and you even gain some control with Daze/Stun. What is missed is a big hitter but no one has seen G12 droids in action.

Sure i would love to see some IG88/86 action again but so many new chars can hit the same numbers but also offers a lot of more abilites AND can survive some counterattacks too.

EDIT: I missed that R2 gets better with his cleans zeta if you pair him with K2 (so he nevers stops taunting) and BB8 to, since both have counterattacks. BB8 zeta special with HP/Prot recover can also be the first usefull thing (besides Jyn lead) for a K2 zeta ;)

"MD_Geist;c-1280939" wrote:
I hope BB8 will do some work, droids are my first love and i sadly switched to another main team (empire - also underdog but very viable at arena etc.) - i have collected all droids 7*/purple gear and crossed my fingers for a IG100&Grievous Rework this year. Now BB8 is not a rework or Droideka but at least seems powerfull enough to think about droids again.

I like your Ideas about super powerfull openers and JE as a "backup" but i was never a fan of the little Jawa that do more or less nothing than push TM (it would be a little better if he gets the assist-raid ability...) so if the ideas above will not work i would lean to a tankier droid squad:

HK, R2, BB8, K2 and IG100 - its a lot of HP/Prot mixed up with Foresight/Stealth and 3 counterattacks (which will also feed crit-tm-train and reduce BB8 CD). K2 and IG100 will apply offense down over the enemy and you even gain some control with Daze/Stun. What is missed is a big hitter but no one has seen G12 droids in action.

Sure i would love to see some IG88/86 action again but so many new chars can hit the same numbers but also offers a lot of more abilites AND can survive some counterattacks too.

EDIT: I missed that R2 gets better with his cleans zeta if you pair him with K2 (so he nevers stops taunting) and BB8 to, since both have counterattacks. BB8 zeta special with HP/Prot recover can also be the first usefull thing (besides Jyn lead) for a K2 zeta ;)

At first I was anxious to run a pure droid squad, but then I looked at BB8's defense, health, and protection and realized that there was a better than average chance that he would die before he gets his ultimate ability off because of his taunt. As near as I can tell, BB8 will likely die before he gets his ultimate off on any full droid squad. 2500 protection and 2000 health every time he dodges isn't going to let him survive. The opening round of the enemy team will be enough to kill him... and they will too since they'll all be forced to attack him due to his taunt.

At first BB8 looked like he could make a pure droid squad viable, but he really doesn't.

Here's what I'm going to be working for: HK, R2, 88, BB-8, and B2/K2 depending on the matchup. BB-8 obviously replaces JE without a doubt. Since the 0 protection for BB8 was a glitch he now has about the same health as HK, who we all know has pretty good health, and BB8 using his taunt might not be that bad, although you definitely want him to survive. Overall BB8 has a great kit that will definitely bring droids back (not the meta but I definitely believe they will be top 20 easily). If you are facing a team with CLS lead and rebels you would use K2 to daze someone and then R2 to stun another, effectively making them no longer a threat. BB8 will taunt since all droids will have secret Intel, and he has 80% chance to counter attack someone and call R2 to assist and stun them. Now they only have 2 real threats left and you can win from there because then BB8 will use his massive buff and all of them will do insane damage. That's pretty much the hardest matchup, being CLS lead and rebels, that droids can face. Maul teams will be even easier than before since you get rid of the useless JE, Jedi teams will be smooth sailing for the same reason, and even rex teams will be easier because now you can stun so much more than before and you can just use B2 to cleanse tenacity up if you are unable to stun Rex. And another great thing that I haven't mentioned yet is that you can EASILY set up a turn order now. Before you would use JE's recalibrate to get all droids to 100% (unless you purposely slowed them down greatly) and it would be completely random as to who went first. But now it's just who has the most speed on your team so you can have B2 go before everyone else (but after BB8). And another slight bonus is that R2 will get another small bonus amount of protection (I think that's the right stat be gets from ally droids) from having that 4th droid ally and will give a small amount of that to all other droids. This last part isn't that big, but it can mean the difference in a fight.

"Woodroward;c-1281489" wrote:

"MD_Geist;c-1280939" wrote:
I hope BB8 will do some work, droids are my first love and i sadly switched to another main team (empire - also underdog but very viable at arena etc.) - i have collected all droids 7*/purple gear and crossed my fingers for a IG100&Grievous Rework this year. Now BB8 is not a rework or Droideka but at least seems powerfull enough to think about droids again.

I like your Ideas about super powerfull openers and JE as a "backup" but i was never a fan of the little Jawa that do more or less nothing than push TM (it would be a little better if he gets the assist-raid ability...) so if the ideas above will not work i would lean to a tankier droid squad:

HK, R2, BB8, K2 and IG100 - its a lot of HP/Prot mixed up with Foresight/Stealth and 3 counterattacks (which will also feed crit-tm-train and reduce BB8 CD). K2 and IG100 will apply offense down over the enemy and you even gain some control with Daze/Stun. What is missed is a big hitter but no one has seen G12 droids in action.

Sure i would love to see some IG88/86 action again but so many new chars can hit the same numbers but also offers a lot of more abilites AND can survive some counterattacks too.

EDIT: I missed that R2 gets better with his cleans zeta if you pair him with K2 (so he nevers stops taunting) and BB8 to, since both have counterattacks. BB8 zeta special with HP/Prot recover can also be the first usefull thing (besides Jyn lead) for a K2 zeta ;)

At first I was anxious to run a pure droid squad, but then I looked at BB8's defense, health, and protection and realized that there was a better than average chance that he would die before he gets his ultimate ability off because of his taunt. As near as I can tell, BB8 will likely die before he gets his ultimate off on any full droid squad. 2500 protection and 2000 health every time he dodges isn't going to let him survive. The opening round of the enemy team will be enough to kill him... and they will too since they'll all be forced to attack him due to his taunt.

At first BB8 looked like he could make a pure droid squad viable, but he really doesn't.

It's just 1 turn though and he will let all droids move first - can' you disable main components of the enemy with a droid opening barrage such that any attack they bring in round 1 will have minimal impact? If 88 blocks key specials and 47 puts O down for example - or you use R2 to stun early. Then he comes off taunt after 1 turn quick because he's really fast at 162 natural speed. R2 can then smoke screen another target? BB8 is tanky enough when built, especially with R2's zeta, to survive a short round 1 from a disabled enemy I would think.

"JohnnySteelAlpha;c-1281775" wrote:

"Woodroward;c-1281489" wrote:

"MD_Geist;c-1280939" wrote:
I hope BB8 will do some work, droids are my first love and i sadly switched to another main team (empire - also underdog but very viable at arena etc.) - i have collected all droids 7*/purple gear and crossed my fingers for a IG100&Grievous Rework this year. Now BB8 is not a rework or Droideka but at least seems powerfull enough to think about droids again.

I like your Ideas about super powerfull openers and JE as a "backup" but i was never a fan of the little Jawa that do more or less nothing than push TM (it would be a little better if he gets the assist-raid ability...) so if the ideas above will not work i would lean to a tankier droid squad:

HK, R2, BB8, K2 and IG100 - its a lot of HP/Prot mixed up with Foresight/Stealth and 3 counterattacks (which will also feed crit-tm-train and reduce BB8 CD). K2 and IG100 will apply offense down over the enemy and you even gain some control with Daze/Stun. What is missed is a big hitter but no one has seen G12 droids in action.

Sure i would love to see some IG88/86 action again but so many new chars can hit the same numbers but also offers a lot of more abilites AND can survive some counterattacks too.

EDIT: I missed that R2 gets better with his cleans zeta if you pair him with K2 (so he nevers stops taunting) and BB8 to, since both have counterattacks. BB8 zeta special with HP/Prot recover can also be the first usefull thing (besides Jyn lead) for a K2 zeta ;)

At first I was anxious to run a pure droid squad, but then I looked at BB8's defense, health, and protection and realized that there was a better than average chance that he would die before he gets his ultimate ability off because of his taunt. As near as I can tell, BB8 will likely die before he gets his ultimate off on any full droid squad. 2500 protection and 2000 health every time he dodges isn't going to let him survive. The opening round of the enemy team will be enough to kill him... and they will too since they'll all be forced to attack him due to his taunt.

At first BB8 looked like he could make a pure droid squad viable, but he really doesn't.

It's just 1 turn though and he will let all droids move first - can' you disable main components of the enemy with a droid opening barrage such that any attack they bring in round 1 will have minimal impact? If 88 blocks key specials and 47 puts O down for example - or you use R2 to stun early. Then he comes off taunt after 1 turn quick because he's really fast at 162 natural speed. R2 can then smoke screen another target? BB8 is tanky enough when built, especially with R2's zeta, to survive a short round 1 from a disabled enemy I would think.

^this. The Droid meta team will be hk,88, b2, bb8, r2. Droids will need to be modded for specific turn order, your gonna want bb8 going first and putting up taunt and spreading secret Intel immediately. Next it's a r2 smoke screen giving bb8 foresight, then a b2 aoe ( you want his potency high as can be) followed by HK and 88 aoes. A g12 88 can hit over 25k with his AOE making it the strongest aoe in game, assuming debuffs are up. At this point you've already knocked off 25+ on bb8s cooldown and he hasn't taken any damage yet. The enemy team should be at 4/5 and with many ability blocked, leaving bb8 nearly unscathed. In theory this all sounds pretty good but we will have to see it in practice. I'll hopefully have him g11 within a few days after release and will give feedback...

The problem is droids have one leader, Hk. And the problem is kenobi exists. One crit and he's taunting with the crit target now crit immune. Damage sink into kenobi and no tm gain for crits aoe. It's not the end of the world at that point, but when yo factor in Luke leader dropping counters, even if you used B2 to nullify the kenobi threat. I can't see him using aoe more than twice before he gets stunned and countered into the ground.

"Durrun;c-1282555" wrote:
The problem is droids have one leader, Hk. And the problem is kenobi exists. One crit and he's taunting with the crit target now crit immune. Damage sink into kenobi and no tm gain for crits aoe. It's not the end of the world at that point, but when yo factor in Luke leader dropping counters, even if you used B2 to nullify the kenobi threat. I can't see him using aoe more than twice before he gets stunned and countered into the ground.

While that may be true with B2 dying really fast from counters, we now have R2 and BB-8 to stun the enemy team. So assuming you have average RNG there will almost always be 2 or more stunned characters. And then when B2 uses an AOE it's more likely that only 1-2 characters will counter attack (since there will be ~3 non stunned enemies and they have a 50% counter chance). And then we have BB-8 restoring health and protection to keep everyone alive. This is all dependent on RNG though so it could happen as you say it would, but more likely than not it won't. And now with BB-8 you really only need to survive 4-6 turns and then you can really turn the tides of the battle and rip them a new one :)