This is not an Enfys Nest is OP. I've beaten Nest before, but I've started to notice an unfun trend in my arena lately.In order to beat Nest, the other 4 enemies need to be strong enough, that you can spread hits among the other enemy team members. However, I've started to notice that Nest teams with weaker teammates perform better than Nests with stronger teammates.With weaker teammates, suddenly, the other enemies don't last long enough to get good shots in on Nest when her protection goes down. Instead, you are forced to hit the one enemy you don't want to over and over and over again. Then it comes down to dumb luck if you get countered into oblivion or manage to squeeze out enough damage when her shield goes down.The slower Nest is, the better this works out. You actually don't want Nest to take turns.This is just an unfun tactic. Feels a lot like pre-rework Zombie did, but worse. It isn't unbeatable, but it just feels random and unnecessarily frustrating.

Had a person like that in my arena. Using gear 7 and 8 characters with gear 12 nest. Its an awful exploit. The weak die from counters leaving nest to keep stacking protection.

"Dk_rek;c-1684025" wrote:Heh at least with nest you have a chance not like in ships where guy buys hounds tooth and becomes immortal sittin on one for A month without figting a single battle. Cant think of any immortal arena teams so theres thatI mean i see what your sayin with zombie but there you wanted like a gear one zombie with neat you still want g12 right just no speed mods(Just wondering i dont have nest im not rich)Seriously? Houndstooth again? Give it a rest.Nest is cake with Nihilus. And a lot of people are still running EP/Traya teams so there's plenty of annihilate to go around. Even without, Nest isn't that tough as long as you know how to battle her. Fracture and TMR are bad ideas. Speed down is a bad idea. Multi-hitters and mass assists are not great either.Revan's leader ability doesn't just beat Nest, it humiliates her first. Though Revan is a little less accessible at this time compared to Nihilus.

Having to picking a specific character to beat nest is bad design, or at least greedy design. It forces players to buy certain characters in order to win. I understanding making certain characters better against other certain teams but the EF issue goes far beyond that. Anytime you have a team that removes TM, (Vader or Ventress as lead) EF becomes nearly invincible. Or, if your team has stun with basic ability. Some people invest a lot into one or two specific teams because they can't afford to buy and mod every char in this game. And, not everyone has been playing this game for years. Yes, haters, jump on me and defend the poor devs who have to get paid to make the game. I am a product manager and probably understand better than most how a tech business works. EA probably has to pay an f ton in royalties to Disney. My point is the infinite loop that CAN occur with the EF character. GOH purports to avoid infinite loops in the game -- and EF can get into an infinite loop. All of you who righteously claim that you can bean EF easily are blind to the perspectives of other players in the game with different, more limited character sets. Yes, you're a great player, you figured out EF's weakness, good for you - stick a gold star on your hand. But, when an arena squad can destroy the other 4 characters in an EF squad in less than a min, then spend the next 4 min dealing continual damage to the EF character that never even gets weaker, it is bad design, plain a simple.I would propose that EF protection up expires after every enemy has completed a turn after it is first triggered, so that EF does not have to take a turn to lose the protection. This also avoids the incentive to keep EF slow (no speed mod), which I have seen can provide an advantage. Overall, the game has great design; the battle and character development system is one of the best around for this genre. I am only pointing out 1 flaw.

"Dk_rek;c-1684025" wrote:Heh at least with nest you have a chance not like in ships where guy buys hounds tooth and becomes immortal sittin on one for A month without figting a single battle. Cant think of any immortal arena teams so theres thatI mean i see what your sayin with zombie but there you wanted like a gear one zombie with neat you still want g12 right just no speed mods(Just wondering i dont have nest im not rich)Not immortal. Ahsoka wrecks HT and also Chimera ultimate.

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wesmay4367
7 years ago
But we have gotten way off topic from what op was talking about lol...nest is a very good character and his kit works well in a lot of lineups....I dont use him myself except in smuggler events and tw but some of my guildmates use him in scoundrel teams in arena with success
trystanspyder
7 years ago
"Kokie;c-1697848" wrote:
But we have gotten way off topic from what op was talking about lol...nest is a very good character and his kit works well in a lot of lineups....I dont use him myself except in smuggler events and tw but some of my guildmates use him in scoundrel teams in arena with success

Her. Enfys is a her. But yes - I love Nest. Use her everywhere I can - even in my CLS arena team.
wesmay4367
7 years ago
"Trystan_Spyder;c-1697851" wrote:
"Kokie;c-1697848" wrote:
But we have gotten way off topic from what op was talking about lol...nest is a very good character and his kit works well in a lot of lineups....I dont use him myself except in smuggler events and tw but some of my guildmates use him in scoundrel teams in arena with success

Her. Enfys is a her. But yes - I love Nest. Use her everywhere I can - even in my CLS arena team.

Correct you are lol....I am tired and not focused today
MasterJediBrian
6 years ago
"labguy23;d-186301" wrote:
This is not an Enfys Nest is OP. I've beaten Nest before, but I've started to notice an unfun trend in my arena lately.

In order to beat Nest, the other 4 enemies need to be strong enough, that you can spread hits among the other enemy team members. However, I've started to notice that Nest teams with weaker teammates perform better than Nests with stronger teammates.

With weaker teammates, suddenly, the other enemies don't last long enough to get good shots in on Nest when her protection goes down. Instead, you are forced to hit the one enemy you don't want to over and over and over again. Then it comes down to dumb luck if you get countered into oblivion or manage to squeeze out enough damage when her shield goes down.

The slower Nest is, the better this works out. You actually don't want Nest to take turns.

This is just an unfun tactic. Feels a lot like pre-rework Zombie did, but worse. It isn't unbeatable, but it just feels random and unnecessarily frustrating.

Just wondering (as Enfys is an option for me), does it somehow help to keep blasting Enfys' allies while her protection is down vs. blasting her directly? This is only sense I could make of her benefitting from having weak teammates. But also, how weak are we talking?
spiffy4433
6 years ago
"MasterJediBrian;c-1822982" wrote:
"labguy23;d-186301" wrote:
This is not an Enfys Nest is OP. I've beaten Nest before, but I've started to notice an unfun trend in my arena lately.

In order to beat Nest, the other 4 enemies need to be strong enough, that you can spread hits among the other enemy team members. However, I've started to notice that Nest teams with weaker teammates perform better than Nests with stronger teammates.

With weaker teammates, suddenly, the other enemies don't last long enough to get good shots in on Nest when her protection goes down. Instead, you are forced to hit the one enemy you don't want to over and over and over again. Then it comes down to dumb luck if you get countered into oblivion or manage to squeeze out enough damage when her shield goes down.

The slower Nest is, the better this works out. You actually don't want Nest to take turns.

This is just an unfun tactic. Feels a lot like pre-rework Zombie did, but worse. It isn't unbeatable, but it just feels random and unnecessarily frustrating.

Just wondering (as Enfys is an option for me), does it somehow help to keep blasting Enfys' allies while her protection is down vs. blasting her directly? This is only sense I could make of her benefitting from having weak teammates. But also, how weak are we talking?

Basically enfys heals from counters and stacks protection, so the tactic is hit enfys once or twice (until her bonus protection is so high that you cant hurt her) then switch to another target until enfy takes a turn (and loses her bonus protection). Rinse and repeat slowly chewing down Nest until you can get a big hit on her.

Another tactic is stun and stack debuffs (works best with DOT team, zVader, cancerous, etc, and thrawn to fracture) and use something like boba execute or Vader culling blade to OHKO her right after she gets a turn
evoartsinc
6 years ago
"Daishi;c-1823052" wrote:
"MasterJediBrian;c-1822982" wrote:
"labguy23;d-186301" wrote:
This is not an Enfys Nest is OP. I've beaten Nest before, but I've started to notice an unfun trend in my arena lately.

In order to beat Nest, the other 4 enemies need to be strong enough, that you can spread hits among the other enemy team members. However, I've started to notice that Nest teams with weaker teammates perform better than Nests with stronger teammates.

With weaker teammates, suddenly, the other enemies don't last long enough to get good shots in on Nest when her protection goes down. Instead, you are forced to hit the one enemy you don't want to over and over and over again. Then it comes down to dumb luck if you get countered into oblivion or manage to squeeze out enough damage when her shield goes down.

The slower Nest is, the better this works out. You actually don't want Nest to take turns.

This is just an unfun tactic. Feels a lot like pre-rework Zombie did, but worse. It isn't unbeatable, but it just feels random and unnecessarily frustrating.

Just wondering (as Enfys is an option for me), does it somehow help to keep blasting Enfys' allies while her protection is down vs. blasting her directly? This is only sense I could make of her benefitting from having weak teammates. But also, how weak are we talking?

Basically enfys heals from counters and stacks protection, so the tactic is hit enfys once or twice (until her bonus protection is so high that you cant hurt her) then switch to another target until enfy takes a turn (and loses her bonus protection). Rinse and repeat slowly chewing down Nest until you can get a big hit on her.

Another tactic is stun and stack debuffs (works best with DOT team, zVader, cancerous, etc, and thrawn to fracture) and use something like boba execute or Vader culling blade to OHKO her right after she gets a turn

Vandor throws a big wrench in that unfortunately
spiffy4433
6 years ago
"Killbot5000;c-1823066" wrote:
"Daishi;c-1823052" wrote:
"MasterJediBrian;c-1822982" wrote:
"labguy23;d-186301" wrote:
This is not an Enfys Nest is OP. I've beaten Nest before, but I've started to notice an unfun trend in my arena lately.

In order to beat Nest, the other 4 enemies need to be strong enough, that you can spread hits among the other enemy team members. However, I've started to notice that Nest teams with weaker teammates perform better than Nests with stronger teammates.

With weaker teammates, suddenly, the other enemies don't last long enough to get good shots in on Nest when her protection goes down. Instead, you are forced to hit the one enemy you don't want to over and over and over again. Then it comes down to dumb luck if you get countered into oblivion or manage to squeeze out enough damage when her shield goes down.

The slower Nest is, the better this works out. You actually don't want Nest to take turns.

This is just an unfun tactic. Feels a lot like pre-rework Zombie did, but worse. It isn't unbeatable, but it just feels random and unnecessarily frustrating.

Just wondering (as Enfys is an option for me), does it somehow help to keep blasting Enfys' allies while her protection is down vs. blasting her directly? This is only sense I could make of her benefitting from having weak teammates. But also, how weak are we talking?

Basically enfys heals from counters and stacks protection, so the tactic is hit enfys once or twice (until her bonus protection is so high that you cant hurt her) then switch to another target until enfy takes a turn (and loses her bonus protection). Rinse and repeat slowly chewing down Nest until you can get a big hit on her.

Another tactic is stun and stack debuffs (works best with DOT team, zVader, cancerous, etc, and thrawn to fracture) and use something like boba execute or Vader culling blade to OHKO her right after she gets a turn

Vandor throws a big wrench in that unfortunately

How so? It might revive if you use culling blade, but execute blocks revive
cygnus3548
6 years ago
"CaptainFizz;c-1684345" wrote:
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