Enfys Nest

"Cossin;c-1647444" wrote:
Why is everyone ignoring my specific points made?
I‘m not a whiny kid...

1. Nest did have close to none blue prot left (not even half a bar) and full hp. Rey attacked her, no dodge, nothing. 61k floats up but Nest didn‘t receive ANY HP DAMAGE just purple bonus prot.
2. So, your point is no matter the Team I MUST incorporate Nihilus (or any of the others... haha Traya :D our Guild cannot possibly do heroic Sithraid until maybe Christmas next year, although all of us play ever after the first year -with some dropouts- )to be able conveniently deal with her?

And my major point:

3. Why is it that „gain bonus protection equal to...“ is different to „ gains bonus protection equal to...“

Ok to address your 3rd point. Nihilas still gains his bonus max health even with healing immunity but that just increases his potential health. He would have to heal or use health steal to gain the health but he has a higher max. He doesn't ever gain bonus protection though. I never see a purple bar of protection on him so it isn't even in his kit.

The bonus protection works the same with nest as it does with other toons that use it.

For your first and second point we are saying you need a character that can deal enough damage in one hit to knock down her health or use a character that has healing immunity to stop her health steal and let her take several turns to get attacks in when she doesn't have bonus protection. Characters thar can hit for a lot help. There are many on the list that aren't new so the point is you can beat her without the new characters. Yes traya is new but vader,scav rey, ezra, and yoda aren't.if you use scav rey you want to use the middle ability not the last one. As someone already said the last one is like four separate hits and sets off the protection before it does full damage.

"BrtStlnd;c-1647457" wrote:

Someone did address it. The first hit in flurry of blows gave her bonus prot. The other two hits added more prot. The 61k crit couldn’t take her out after she had the bonus prot.

2nd ability „leverage“ is a single hit ability.

"DarkHelmet1138;c-1647466" wrote:


Ok to address your 3rd point. Nihilas still gains his bonus max health even with healing immunity but that just increases his potential health. He would have to heal or use health steal to gain the health but he has a higher max. He doesn't ever gain bonus protection though. I never see a purple bar of protection on him so it isn't even in his kit.

Sorry, if I wasn‘t clear on that Nihilus part: I‘m talking about his raid version. Which both state „gain bonus protection...“
I agree that max hp up works around healing immunity, it it doesn‘t heal, it scales. The percentage of health relative to the maximum stays the same.
But Nest gains protection by 40% which increases each time by 40%. There is a healing effect going as well as a scaling ability, which is entirely my point.

"Kyno;c-1647434" wrote:
https://forums.galaxy-of-heroes.starwars.ea.com/discussion/169926/kit-reveal-enfys-nest/p1


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They addressed some of your concerns when she was released.

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Thanks Kyno, yet it still feels like a lazy workaround and just trying to make it WAI while keeping it outside established rules.
I showed it to some friends who play similar games but not SWGoH, just asking if they see any difference in tooltips. They all agreed that Raid Nihilus's "gain protections" sounds exactly the same as Enfys'

Then something did not happen the way you describe. A 61k crit is enough to take out a fully geared g12 Nest. Either she already had bonus protection or you used “flurry of blows”.

But there is no protection recovery - just new added (temp) protection. If you hit Nest and take away half of her normal protection, that is how much she will have left after her next turn, regardless of how many times she's hit in between. If she's recovering normal protection (blue), it's coming from something else.

And as stated, a 61k crit would drop all but the most hearty Nests if there was no bonus protection in play.

"Cossin;c-1647488" wrote:

"BrtStlnd;c-1647457" wrote:

Someone did address it. The first hit in flurry of blows gave her bonus prot. The other two hits added more prot. The 61k crit couldn’t take her out after she had the bonus prot.

2nd ability „leverage“ is a single hit ability.

"DarkHelmet1138;c-1647466" wrote:


Ok to address your 3rd point. Nihilas still gains his bonus max health even with healing immunity but that just increases his potential health. He would have to heal or use health steal to gain the health but he has a higher max. He doesn't ever gain bonus protection though. I never see a purple bar of protection on him so it isn't even in his kit.

Sorry, if I wasn‘t clear on that Nihilus part: I‘m talking about his raid version. Which both state „gain bonus protection...“
I agree that max hp up works around healing immunity, it it doesn‘t heal, it scales. The percentage of health relative to the maximum stays the same.
But Nest gains protection by 40% which increases each time by 40%. There is a healing effect going as well as a scaling ability, which is entirely my point.

Ok then. The raid nihilas kit says he "recovers" 3% protection. And the nest kit says she "gains" 40% bonus protection. The recovers is treated as healing and the gaining isn't. It is clear at least in tge English descriptions.

"DarkHelmet1138;c-1647699" wrote:

Ok then. The raid nihilas kit says he "recovers" 3% protection. And the nest kit says she "gains" 40% bonus protection. The recovers is treated as healing and the gaining isn't. It is clear at least in tge English descriptions.

Don‘t stop reading after the first sentence to proof your point. Yes it is true, the 3% protection is recovered.
The 25% protection from attacking a def down enemy is gained.

Yet, both are not applied for whatever reasons in Nihilus‘ case.

I will rest my case, as I see that logic and reasoning are not the ways of the Force apparently XD

Why don't these apples and oranges work the same they are both fruits lol.

I think the OP is pointless even when provided with CG description of both of their mechanics to PROVE their point still wooooosh .


Lord of Hunger
At the start of his turn, Nihilus recovers 3% Protection for each buffed enemy.

In addition, whenever an enemy damages Nihilus with a Basic ability, he inflicts Defense Down on them for 1 turn. If they already have Defense Down, they lose 25% Protection and Nihilus gains that much Max Protection (these effects can't be Resisted).



· Unique · Level 8
Fighting Instinct
Nest has +80% Counter Chance and ignores Taunt during her turn. Whenever Nest is damaged by an attack, she gains +30% Critical Chance and 40% Bonus Protection (stacking). This Bonus Protection increases by an additional 40% each time. Both bonuses expire and reset at the end of her next turn. Whenever an enemy loses a buff or debuff, Nest gains +2% Critical Damage and Health Steal (stacking) until the end of the encounter.

One word
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BONUS

one gains protection other gets bonus protection
Bonus meaning ontop of , added , extra , plus.

Take range trooper
Special · Level 8
Steady 3 turn cooldown
All Empire allies gain Protection Up (40%) for 3 turns. All Imperial Trooper allies Recover 30% Protection and gain Retribution for 3 turns. Then, another random ally attacks and Range Trooper assists them.

Two types there one heals the other buffs .

Enfys is a BONUS buff without the green buff as it's part of her unique kit.

Related question regarding scav Rey attacking Nest.
SRey special can hit multiple times, does the code add the bonus protection to Nest for each hit & before the code removes damage points from Nest?

Because for a multi-attack from one toon, on Nest, I would expect a sequence like this:

1) Attack 1 reduces protection (and maybe health) on Nest.
2) Nest gains 40% bonus protection
3) next Attack does same a (1) but only if it can overcome the bonus protection gains.
4) Nest gains another amount of 40% bonus protection that stacks in top of any remaining bonus protection from previous attacks.
5) For additional attacks from same toon (like sRey) repeat steps 3 & 4.

as opposed to,
1) 3 hit atttack so Nest gain 3 x 40% bonus protection
2) Apply damage from 3 hit attack as a lump amount; must get through the 3 stacks of bonus protection before it can get to Nests normal protection & health.

"Anrath;c-1648230" wrote:
Related question regarding scav Rey attacking Nest.
SRey special can hit multiple times, does the code add the bonus protection to Nest for each hit & before the code removes damage points from Nest?

Because for a multi-attack from one toon, on Nest, I would expect a sequence like this:

1) Attack 1 reduces protection (and maybe health) on Nest.
2) Nest gains 40% bonus protection
3) next Attack does same a (1) but only if it can overcome the bonus protection gains.
4) Nest gains another amount of 40% bonus protection that stacks in top of any remaining bonus protection from previous attacks.
5) For additional attacks from same toon (like sRey) repeat steps 3 & 4.

as opposed to,
1) 3 hit atttack so Nest gain 3 x 40% bonus protection
2) Apply damage from 3 hit attack as a lump amount; must get through the 3 stacks of bonus protection before it can get to Nests normal protection & health.

Probably the first but the first hit is unlikely to do enough damage to take away much health or protection.

Shooting Nest with Greedo would be hilarious to watch if it cycled his multi- enough times.