have you tested LV without Maul?

The community waited for so long for LV. After all these disappointments in the last months he could have been the chosen one to make all of us forget about it (at least a little bit), but now he turned out to be the biggest disappointment of them all. I don‘t want a second mandatory character to make a GL with such crazy requirements work. I mean guys, he is the chosen one. He is one of the most iconic Star Wars characters and should be one of (if not the) strongest one in the game. Him, needing Maul to be useful, makes no sense whatsoever. Vader should be the star of the squad and deal massive damage even without Maul. He should be the fun character. But right now playing him is pure torture. Who the hell at CG thought it would be a good idea to design LV in that way? It’s just ridiculous. He definitely needs massive adjustments.

"GoesDark;c-2298827" wrote:
Is LV really that bad? I've seen some footage of him beating jmk cat without using maul

He doesn't deal any damage, to deal high damage he needs to fire ultimate a few times, but by now his team is dead.

"Makonce23;c-2298841" wrote:

"GoesDark;c-2298827" wrote:
Is LV really that bad? I've seen some footage of him beating jmk cat without using maul

Show me this footage please.

https://youtu.be/cs1j4gvEo_U
https://youtu.be/kp-Y_9vWI8M
https://youtu.be/L7A4p43mak8
I'm sure more will come with time

JMK deserves more than 2 months at the top of the meta. Let the hipster enjoy a few more months at the top with her girlfriend, then LV+Maul will shine brighter than a death star explosion until the next meta.

"WookieWookie;c-2298842" wrote:
4Please don't cry out for nerfs/buffs until we see how he rolls with Maul.

I think we all know, that he is going to be really strong with Maul. That’s not the point. The fact, that we need a second character to make Vader work frustrates me. He doesn‘t have the kit he deserves because they spread it into two characters. And lore-wise their connection makes no sense. As you pointed out it‘s again just about money and forcing people to play and pay for this new horrible conquest. I‘m just sick of it

And I don’t think that the counter against JMK+CAT is very reliable from the footage.

Most iconic character? Really? He had less screen time than jar jar binks.

"Kiaowew;c-2298839" wrote:

"GoesDark;c-2298827" wrote:
Is LV really that bad? I've seen some footage of him beating jmk cat without using maul

He doesn't deal any damage, to deal high damage he needs to fire ultimate a few times, but by now hego team is dead.

Yeah that's my issue with LV too

He just doesn't have any DPS without ultimate, and with ultimate the DPS only increases if he has a lot of his allies alive, which is hard to do other than using tanks (which do die out eventually)

I have an Ult LV here and I fully agree. He is SUPER underwhelming. He deals no damage even when modded pure offense. I tried modding him for 13.5k offense and his basic attacks tickled tanks (10k ish) and roughly tickled anything else (15-25k ish).

I then modded him pure speed and protection. His damage barly changed at all and now he can at least live against most teams. The problem is like what has already been posted. you have to use his ult a MINIMUM of 2 to 3 times before he deals and damage anywhere close to any other GL (besides see).

I do want to say I have around a 90% win rate with him vs JMK w/ cat but thats due to getting my piet faster then the enemy cat and then running a 300 speed DV with it... along with shore and RG. ALL FIVE of my lineup are R8 (yes that includes shore and RG). Im not winning due to how good LV kit is.. Im winning due to mod differences. If I couldn't get piet faster then cat then RG or shore eats a 1 shot and ita basicly a loss from there.

When JMK first came out he could beat any other GL on offense even without ult. With ult and kam he was on par and a very tough fight. Once cat came out it sent him overboard.

Yes you can sorta cheese him with SEE and non sith tanks or beat him with JML Lead.

LV does none of this. The slkr and see on my shard can't beat me.. but they can't beat JMK anyway so eh? Reys struggle but can win. JML walks all over LV. JMK curb stomps LV.

LV is a tank that does less damage then other tanks dispite being an attacker.

It’s probably true that when Maul comes out it’ll push LV overboard but the only thing I think he needs to make him great is a re tune of his damage output. Do that and he’s fine.

"WattoisSnoke;c-2300598" wrote:
It’s probably true that when Maul comes out it’ll push LV overboard but the only thing I think he needs to make him great is a re tune of his damage output. Do that and he’s fine.

JMK was doing 5x LV damage even before his ult.

They purposely made LV weak with underwhelming % modifiers

For example LV special ability scaling vs JMK

LV gets 20% increased damage for his 1st special (up to 100%) while JMK gets his stacking by 50% up to 500%.

LV second special gains 2.5% damage per stack of underestimated. Thats only 150% extra damage on his 5 turn cooldown ability.

LV is just flat out weak. Every GL (except maybe see) was usable before their Ult, some (JML) don't even need ult, and LV sits here being useless pre ult... and needing to use his ult 3 to 4 times in a match to even come close to being considered a GL.

edit: typeo fix