Hoping someone can help me with a couple of questions on the Bugs group.1) I have seen several discussions on how people think the protection / health equalization SHOULD work, but I want to understand how they DO work and I can't find that. I think it has to be one of 2 ways First: Bug 1 gets attacked and loses 25% of his protection. Then, to "equalize" 25% is divided by 5 which is 5%each so each Bug now has 95% of their protection in their stats. Second: Bug 1 is attacked and loses 10,000 protection points. 10,000/5 = 2000 points each and each bug now has 2000 less units of protection than they originally had. Can someone tell me if it is one of these or something else?2) Did the Bugs get reworked? Ever since the Vader rework I have been slaughtering Bug teams. About a week ago I went back to not being able to beat them. I was taking down gear 12s with one or 2 having relics, now no relics and a couple below gear 12 I am getting beat.Thanks for any help on either of these.

Vader can solo Geonosians teams under 2 conditions; 1: He is of equal gear level/relic or higher and 2: He is faster.If he doesn’t meet either of these, it’s best to run him with Palp, Shore, or Thrawn

"shaun51422;c-2153428" wrote:"Firefoxx666;c-2153346" wrote:Well its more about equally dividing the remains hp/prot, than dividing the damage between them, but in a single target case the math is basically the same. Neither of your methods works for AOE damage, as you are talking about dividing and subtracting that damage, so better to think of it as adding all remaining hp/prot into one pool, then dividing that evenly. Ignore the damage factor.I'm just talking about single target. I think it has to be somewhat about dividing the damage because if you had one with more stars and gear than another then the equalization would give the weak one a good deal more protection after he was damaged than before. That isn't right is it?It's % based. If you look after each equalization your health/prot bars are at the same level, so the same %. This does mean that attacking a geo with a lower max protection is more effective.Numbers are simplified to show the effect, but, let's say we have 6 geos out and they all have 10k max protection, except sun fac who has 20k protection.You do 6000 damage to geo soldier, leaving him at 40% protection. When protection equalizes they add up the percentage, so 5 people at 100% and one at 40%. So 540%, divide by 6 and we're at an average of 90%. So all geos go to 90% protection.So now you have 5 geos at 9,000 protection and sun fac is at 18,000 protection. That means geos are missing a total of 7000 protection even though you only did 6k damage to soldier.The opposite is also true though, if you did that 6k damage to sun fac geos would equalize to 95% protection. This means your 6,000 damage results in a loss of only 3,500 protection!

As noted above, the Health/Prot pools are equalized by %.So YES, you get better results by hitting the Lowest HP/PROT people first since it takes off more actual HP/Prot from the beefy tank types.But to do that you have to get around those taunts :)

Well its more about equally dividing the remains hp/prot, than dividing the damage between them, but in a single target case the math is basically the same. Neither of your methods works for AOE damage, as you are talking about dividing and subtracting that damage, so better to think of it as adding all remaining hp/prot into one pool, then dividing that evenly. Ignore the damage factor.

"shaun51422;d-234273" wrote:2) Did the Bugs get reworked? Ever since the Vader rework I have been slaughtering Bug teams. About a week ago I went back to not being able to beat them. I was taking down gear 12s with one or 2 having relics, now no relics and a couple below gear 12 I am getting beat.Nope, did not get reworked.

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Player_170mte2j
5 years ago
My understanding of how it works:
Damage is computed against the individual (or each individual for an AOE). Hive mind equalization is computed on the sum of the remaining health and protection pool of alive units with hive mind.

Example:
100k Total Protection Pool
100k Total Health Pool
Geo A has 20k HP, 20k PP

Geo A receives 30k hit, now has 10k health. Hive mind kicks in: Total Health and Protection Pool is now 170k out of 200k.
100k/100k = 100%
70k/100k = 70%
All units with hive mind get full health and 70% protection. (May be slightly unequally distributed so that the total protection amongst all Geos equals 70k)
Shaun51422
Seasoned Adventurer
5 years ago
"Salatious_Scrum;c-2153437" wrote:
I’m curious, what are your move orders and kill priorities going in?

Norally Sun Fac 1st with Crush, then GBA with culling, then which ever and have another Culling for Brute. Before this week, GBA and Brute were always killed if GBA was anything less than a relic and usually at least one of the others went down, usually both. I would say 90% of the time the only one left was the one I used Crush on.
Player_170mte2j
5 years ago
Also FYI, previous discussion on the topic here: https://forums.galaxy-of-heroes.starwars.ea.com/discussion/comment/1925328#Comment_1925328
Shaun51422
Seasoned Adventurer
5 years ago
"Train;c-2153446" wrote:
My understanding of how it works:
Damage is computed against the individual (or each individual for an AOE). Hive mind equalization is computed on the sum of the remaining health and protection pool of alive units with hive mind.

Example:
100k Total Protection Pool
100k Total Health Pool
Geo A has 20k HP, 20k PP

Geo A receives 30k hit, now has 10k health. Hive mind kicks in: Total Health and Protection Pool is now 170k out of 200k.
100k/100k = 100%
70k/100k = 70%
All units with hive mind get full health and 70% protection. (May be slightly unequally distributed so that the total protection amongst all Geos equals 70k)

I think this is the same as what DuneFlint wrote above, right?
DuneFlint
5 years ago
"shaun51422;c-2153499" wrote:
"Train;c-2153446" wrote:
My understanding of how it works:
Damage is computed against the individual (or each individual for an AOE). Hive mind equalization is computed on the sum of the remaining health and protection pool of alive units with hive mind.

Example:
100k Total Protection Pool
100k Total Health Pool
Geo A has 20k HP, 20k PP

Geo A receives 30k hit, now has 10k health. Hive mind kicks in: Total Health and Protection Pool is now 170k out of 200k.
100k/100k = 100%
70k/100k = 70%
All units with hive mind get full health and 70% protection. (May be slightly unequally distributed so that the total protection amongst all Geos equals 70k)

I think this is the same as what DuneFlint wrote above, right?

The math is different on theirs. They have the net loss as the same amount as the damage, give or take a coue protection. So attacking a weaker geo wouldn't make a difference. I really thought attacking a weaker one was more effective to reducing their pool, but i don't remember where i got that from, so they could very well be right and I'm wrong.
Shaun51422
Seasoned Adventurer
5 years ago
"Train;c-2153451" wrote:
Also FYI, previous discussion on the topic here: https://forums.galaxy-of-heroes.starwars.ea.com/discussion/comment/1925328#Comment_1925328

I did find that in my search. But that thread is more on how people think it should work rather than how it does work. I was hoping that since it was a year later everyone (or at least someone) knew for sure now.
Schwartzring
Seasoned Ace
5 years ago
As noted above, the Health/Prot pools are equalized by %.

So YES, you get better results by hitting the Lowest HP/PROT people first since it takes off more actual HP/Prot from the beefy tank types.

But to do that you have to get around those taunts :)
Player_170mte2j
5 years ago
I did a quick search here and on Reddit, and this discussion has occurred a number of times. None of discussions I looked at came to any definitive conclusion. Unfortunately the details of what is going on are not described on SWGOH.GG, so there's not really any good way to know for sure besides asking the developers. Are they doing one of those Q&A's anytime soon again?

Personally, I see no reason why an equalization effect would add or remove HP from the total gained or lost based on who you attack. Then it's also doing damage and not just equalizing.

Either way, attacking a weaker enemy is absolutely more effective. You do more damage against units with lower defense.

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