Hey - what's this zeta on 5's all about? Kix inc?

The first time Old ben is defeated....all allies gain offense up etc... they could have coded this just the same.

It's fair to ask, Why not simply do this?

"MasterSeedy;c-1964410" wrote:
They could be contemplating a Clone Medic, but I think that this was just a necessary failsafe.

After all, YOU SAY you wouldn't put Ewok Elder or Old Daka or whomever in this group, but if 5s boosts the stats of other 501st allies by an amount equal to his own Max Health and Offense when he dies AND it stacked so if you die more than once you could multiply the bonuses, then people would put a reviver in the group on purpose, just to get 5s killed as many times as possible.

Because of the mechanic involved, I think the "no revive" aspect of his kit was necessary whether or not any Clone Medic might be coming along later. And if it was necessary regardless of whether or not a clone reviver is coming, then that means we can't use that language to predict that a new clone reviver is on the way.

Sorry, but we're simply stuck without any reasonable basis for a prediction at this point.

Why was it necessary? Old been has a talent where it clearly states the First time he is defeated he give bonuses to all allies.

So why not simply word it and code it this way? It's essentially the same.

Fair enough. However, I'm not going to be upset if it isn't the case. I won't be shocked if it is. They clearly have the ground work in if they did want to do this.

Then again, the text is always subject to change. ANd it seems as of late, it often does. In order to guard spoilers etc.

It also prevents a “paper clone”, similar to paper zombie that would be intentionally sacrificed several times. Rex lead, Fives, Echo, Daka and paper Cody would crush raids. Mod fives for all offense and speed, minimal health (to get his ability to trigger as many times as possible), and you’d quickly have teams with over 800 speed, 10K offense and rising, with echo to double tap every time someone uses a basic.

"Dirty_Litle_Smuggler;c-1964588" wrote:
It also prevents a “paper clone”, similar to paper zombie that would be intentionally sacrificed several times. Rex lead, Fives, Echo, Daka and paper Cody would crush raids. Mod fives for all offense and speed, minimal health (to get his ability to trigger as many times as possible), and you’d quickly have teams with over 800 speed, 10K offense and rising, with echo to double tap every time someone uses a basic.

That wouldn't quite work, as it only triggers on 501st allies, which Cody isn't. It'd have to be a weak ashoka, rex, or echo.

"Dirty_Litle_Smuggler;c-1964588" wrote:
It also prevents a “paper clone”, similar to paper zombie that would be intentionally sacrificed several times. Rex lead, Fives, Echo, Daka and paper Cody would crush raids. Mod fives for all offense and speed, minimal health (to get his ability to trigger as many times as possible), and you’d quickly have teams with over 800 speed, 10K offense and rising, with echo to double tap every time someone uses a basic.

This argument is based on the premise that every time 5's dies they would keep getting his bonus.

As I stated before, they already have Old Ben Kenobi and it clearly states "THE FIRST TIME" he dies.

5's does not revive himself like Zombi.

And Zombie doesn't give any bonuses when zombie dies.

You need the character in that receives bonuses for death or % health lower = bonus turn etc..

This is a bad analogy in my opinion as they share very little of the same mechanics.

Quite frankly, it's like I said, I will NOT be surprised if Kix isn't introduced as a part of the 501st. I also will not be shocked if he is.

My one question would be, if there is a Kix or clone who can revive, would people who zeta'd 5's get their refunded?

"taquillasun;c-1964604" wrote:

"Dirty_Litle_Smuggler;c-1964588" wrote:
It also prevents a “paper clone”, similar to paper zombie that would be intentionally sacrificed several times. Rex lead, Fives, Echo, Daka and paper Cody would crush raids. Mod fives for all offense and speed, minimal health (to get his ability to trigger as many times as possible), and you’d quickly have teams with over 800 speed, 10K offense and rising, with echo to double tap every time someone uses a basic.

My one question would be, if there is a Kix or clone who can revive, would people who zeta'd 5's get their refunded?

Why would they get anything refunded?? Applying the zeta doesn't prevent him from being revived

Even though Old Ben has that — there are several reasons not to add it to Fives:

1. Game balance. It’s a very powerful unique and having fives revive after giving his stats for the first time only can still be OP
2. It’s not thematic — the Ability is based on Fives sacrificing himself for his brothers. It cheapens his sacrifice if he’s able to come back afterwards

"taquillasun;c-1964604" wrote:

"Dirty_Litle_Smuggler;c-1964588" wrote:
It also prevents a “paper clone”, similar to paper zombie that would be intentionally sacrificed several times. Rex lead, Fives, Echo, Daka and paper Cody would crush raids. Mod fives for all offense and speed, minimal health (to get his ability to trigger as many times as possible), and you’d quickly have teams with over 800 speed, 10K offense and rising, with echo to double tap every time someone uses a basic.

This argument is based on the premise that every time 5's dies they would keep getting his bonus.

As I stated before, they already have Old Ben Kenobi and it clearly states "THE FIRST TIME" he dies.

5's does not revive himself like Zombi.

And Zombie doesn't give any bonuses when zombie dies.

You need the character in that receives bonuses for death or % health lower = bonus turn etc..

This is a bad analogy in my opinion as they share very little of the same mechanics.

Quite frankly, it's like I said, I will NOT be surprised if Kix isn't introduced as a part of the 501st. I also will not be shocked if he is.

It could still be abused. If Fives's unique is triggered, you get a supercharged Rex and Echo and if you could revive Fives (whether by Visas, a new clone or anyone else) you'd even get your durable tank back without any drawbacks.

It does not exclude the addition of a new clone (let it be Kix), but it doesn't hint it either. That failsafe needed to be added for current in-game mechanics anyway.

"RandomSithLord;c-1964618" wrote:

"taquillasun;c-1964604" wrote:

"Dirty_Litle_Smuggler;c-1964588" wrote:
It also prevents a “paper clone”, similar to paper zombie that would be intentionally sacrificed several times. Rex lead, Fives, Echo, Daka and paper Cody would crush raids. Mod fives for all offense and speed, minimal health (to get his ability to trigger as many times as possible), and you’d quickly have teams with over 800 speed, 10K offense and rising, with echo to double tap every time someone uses a basic.

This argument is based on the premise that every time 5's dies they would keep getting his bonus.

As I stated before, they already have Old Ben Kenobi and it clearly states "THE FIRST TIME" he dies.

5's does not revive himself like Zombi.

And Zombie doesn't give any bonuses when zombie dies.

You need the character in that receives bonuses for death or % health lower = bonus turn etc..

This is a bad analogy in my opinion as they share very little of the same mechanics.

Quite frankly, it's like I said, I will NOT be surprised if Kix isn't introduced as a part of the 501st. I also will not be shocked if he is.

It could still be abused. If Fives's unique is triggered, you get a supercharged Rex and Echo and if you could revive Fives (whether by Visas, a new clone or anyone else) you'd even get your durable tank back without any drawbacks.

It does not exclude the addition of a new clone (let it be Kix), but it doesn't hint it either. That failsafe needed to be added for current in-game mechanics anyway.

If they could be abused then why hasn't anyone found a way to abuse Old ben yet?