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"YaeVizsla;c-1590907" wrote:
Ah, completely forgot about Beckett. That makes five. Though I don't think they're done with Solo releases yet?

"Funderbolts;c-1590881" wrote:
Ok. Assuming that’s a fair assertion, then why do we have Holdo, Hermit Yoda, BB8, Nute Gunray, Admiral Ackbar, and Grand Moff Tarkin? If characters need to abide by the standards you’ve laid out (plot relevance and combat ability), then every one of these characters can be eliminated for violating one or both of those premises. I mean is C3PO really less relevant to the plot than Datcha? And is the non-combatant role not solved through Hermit Yoda’s inclusion in this game?

I didn't say every character added to the game must fit those criteria. There are a bunch of weird one-off characters in the game.

The criteria I listed are more for expecting a character to come to the game, or claiming they're missing.

"Funderbolts;c-1590891" wrote:
In my order of precedence, I put Scout Trooper and B1 Battle Droid higher than Revan. It’s not a knock on Revan — it’s a general statement that the well-known and popular ought to be explored more and released sooner than the lesser known characters that didn’t appear in the movies.

You're talking out of both sides of your mouth right now. On the one hand, you're acknowledging it's just your list, and on the other, you're asserting your list holds some sort of inherent superiority to anyone else's. On really dubious grounds, no less, as even if they're not important to you, Revan is a well-known, popular, and even iconic character within Star Wars.

I’m not talking out of different sides of my mouth.

Nor am I asserting that any list is “superior” to any other, sir. I’m giving you my opinion on the matter, which is based on relevance and aims to attract/keep players with the premise that Star Wars characters that are more widely known will be more exciting for more players. I think it’s a pretty simple stance. If I thought my list was superior to yours, I would say exactly that. I don’t feel a need to conceal or hide my intentions, so don’t try to extrapolate things I haven’t said.

I understand that your opinion is different, and that’s fine but I don’t really care as I’m not here to change your mind. If that is “dubious” to you, or somehow insults your fragile opinion, then perhaps you should break contact and not seek to engage in conversation with people whom you don’t agree.

The whole “this character is important to me” statements you’re making are less important than the “this character is important to the game” one, bottom line.

Edited for content. - EA_Cian

"Funderbolts;c-1590924" wrote:

"YaeVizsla;c-1590907" wrote:
Ah, completely forgot about Beckett. That makes five. Though I don't think they're done with Solo releases yet?

"Funderbolts;c-1590881" wrote:
Ok. Assuming that’s a fair assertion, then why do we have Holdo, Hermit Yoda, BB8, Nute Gunray, Admiral Ackbar, and Grand Moff Tarkin? If characters need to abide by the standards you’ve laid out (plot relevance and combat ability), then every one of these characters can be eliminated for violating one or both of those premises. I mean is C3PO really less relevant to the plot than Datcha? And is the non-combatant role not solved through Hermit Yoda’s inclusion in this game?

I didn't say every character added to the game must fit those criteria. There are a bunch of weird one-off characters in the game.

The criteria I listed are more for expecting a character to come to the game, or claiming they're missing.

"Funderbolts;c-1590891" wrote:
In my order of precedence, I put Scout Trooper and B1 Battle Droid higher than Revan. It’s not a knock on Revan — it’s a general statement that the well-known and popular ought to be explored more and released sooner than the lesser known characters that didn’t appear in the movies.

You're talking out of both sides of your mouth right now. On the one hand, you're acknowledging it's just your list, and on the other, you're asserting your list holds some sort of inherent superiority to anyone else's. On really dubious grounds, no less, as even if they're not important to you, Revan is a well-known, popular, and even iconic character within Star Wars.

I’m not talking out of different sides of my mouth.

Nor am I asserting that any list is “superior” to any other, sir. I’m giving you my opinion on the matter, which is based on relevance and aims to attract/keep players with the premise that Star Wars characters that are more widely known will be more exciting for more players. I think it’s a pretty simple stance. If I thought my list was superior to yours, I would say exactly that. I don’t feel a need to conceal or hide my intentions, so don’t try to extrapolate things I haven’t said.

I understand that your opinion is different, and that’s fine but I don’t really care as I’m not here to change your mind. If that is “dubious” to you, or somehow insults your fragile opinion, then perhaps you should break contact and not seek to engage in conversation with people whom you don’t agree.

The whole “this character is important to me” statements you’re making are less important than the “this character is important to the game” one, bottom line.

Edited for content. - EA_Cian

I completely agree that those listed characters need to be added; however the game currently sits in a state where standalone are constantly added to hint at Revan. His coming to the game is inevitable. And as much I want Piett or Padmé, Revan would get the majority vote, judging by his stance as a massive addition, which people are always in favor of. Note: I say massive addition because his legacy is so insane (in TOR), that anything less than meta breaking would be a major insult to Revan and that time period altogether.

Triple zero and Bee-Tee!!! Oh I hope 000 and BT-1 are comings!!!

"Nihion;c-1590929" wrote:

"Funderbolts;c-1590924" wrote:

"YaeVizsla;c-1590907" wrote:
Ah, completely forgot about Beckett. That makes five. Though I don't think they're done with Solo releases yet?

"Funderbolts;c-1590881" wrote:
Ok. Assuming that’s a fair assertion, then why do we have Holdo, Hermit Yoda, BB8, Nute Gunray, Admiral Ackbar, and Grand Moff Tarkin? If characters need to abide by the standards you’ve laid out (plot relevance and combat ability), then every one of these characters can be eliminated for violating one or both of those premises. I mean is C3PO really less relevant to the plot than Datcha? And is the non-combatant role not solved through Hermit Yoda’s inclusion in this game?

I didn't say every character added to the game must fit those criteria. There are a bunch of weird one-off characters in the game.

The criteria I listed are more for expecting a character to come to the game, or claiming they're missing.

"Funderbolts;c-1590891" wrote:
In my order of precedence, I put Scout Trooper and B1 Battle Droid higher than Revan. It’s not a knock on Revan — it’s a general statement that the well-known and popular ought to be explored more and released sooner than the lesser known characters that didn’t appear in the movies.

You're talking out of both sides of your mouth right now. On the one hand, you're acknowledging it's just your list, and on the other, you're asserting your list holds some sort of inherent superiority to anyone else's. On really dubious grounds, no less, as even if they're not important to you, Revan is a well-known, popular, and even iconic character within Star Wars.

I’m not talking out of different sides of my mouth.

Nor am I asserting that any list is “superior” to any other, sir. I’m giving you my opinion on the matter, which is based on relevance and aims to attract/keep players with the premise that Star Wars characters that are more widely known will be more exciting for more players. I think it’s a pretty simple stance. If I thought my list was superior to yours, I would say exactly that. I don’t feel a need to conceal or hide my intentions, so don’t try to extrapolate things I haven’t said.

I understand that your opinion is different, and that’s fine but I don’t really care as I’m not here to change your mind. If that is “dubious” to you, or somehow insults your fragile opinion, then perhaps you should break contact and not seek to engage in conversation with people whom you don’t agree.

The whole “this character is important to me” statements you’re making are less important than the “this character is important to the game” one, bottom line.

Edited for content. - EA_Cian

I completely agree that those listed characters need to be added; however the game currently sits in a state where standalone are constantly added to hint at Revan. His coming to the game is inevitable. And as much I want Piett or Padmé, Revan would get the majority vote, judging by his stance as a massive addition, which people are always in favor of. Note: I say massive addition because his legacy is so insane (in TOR), that anything less than meta breaking would be a major insult to Revan and that time period altogether.

He is certainly coming. Given 1) the fact that this game has TOR characters and 2) the fact that over time new characters will be added, we can conclude that eventually he will be added. Obviously the only hard no in this game so far has been Porkins. With that being said, when creating a list of characters not currently in the game by precedence, I still think main characters ought to be higher on that list from both a necessity standpoint as well as a marketing standpoint.

Now clearly I don’t have any statistics or evidence outside of anectodal, but my anecdotal evidence suggests that casual fans know the movie characters more than the non-movie characters. And when you’re a company attempting to maximize capital from a game (capital games, anyone?), you’re going to want to appeal to the majority rather than the hardcore minority.

"Funderbolts;c-1590937" wrote:

"Nihion;c-1590929" wrote:

"Funderbolts;c-1590924" wrote:

"YaeVizsla;c-1590907" wrote:
Ah, completely forgot about Beckett. That makes five. Though I don't think they're done with Solo releases yet?

"Funderbolts;c-1590881" wrote:
Ok. Assuming that’s a fair assertion, then why do we have Holdo, Hermit Yoda, BB8, Nute Gunray, Admiral Ackbar, and Grand Moff Tarkin? If characters need to abide by the standards you’ve laid out (plot relevance and combat ability), then every one of these characters can be eliminated for violating one or both of those premises. I mean is C3PO really less relevant to the plot than Datcha? And is the non-combatant role not solved through Hermit Yoda’s inclusion in this game?

I didn't say every character added to the game must fit those criteria. There are a bunch of weird one-off characters in the game.

The criteria I listed are more for expecting a character to come to the game, or claiming they're missing.

"Funderbolts;c-1590891" wrote:
In my order of precedence, I put Scout Trooper and B1 Battle Droid higher than Revan. It’s not a knock on Revan — it’s a general statement that the well-known and popular ought to be explored more and released sooner than the lesser known characters that didn’t appear in the movies.

You're talking out of both sides of your mouth right now. On the one hand, you're acknowledging it's just your list, and on the other, you're asserting your list holds some sort of inherent superiority to anyone else's. On really dubious grounds, no less, as even if they're not important to you, Revan is a well-known, popular, and even iconic character within Star Wars.

I’m not talking out of different sides of my mouth.

Nor am I asserting that any list is “superior” to any other, sir. I’m giving you my opinion on the matter, which is based on relevance and aims to attract/keep players with the premise that Star Wars characters that are more widely known will be more exciting for more players. I think it’s a pretty simple stance. If I thought my list was superior to yours, I would say exactly that. I don’t feel a need to conceal or hide my intentions, so don’t try to extrapolate things I haven’t said.

I understand that your opinion is different, and that’s fine but I don’t really care as I’m not here to change your mind. If that is “dubious” to you, or somehow insults your fragile opinion, then perhaps you should break contact and not seek to engage in conversation with people whom you don’t agree.

The whole “this character is important to me” statements you’re making are less important than the “this character is important to the game” one, bottom line.

Edited for content. - EA_Cian

I completely agree that those listed characters need to be added; however the game currently sits in a state where standalone are constantly added to hint at Revan. His coming to the game is inevitable. And as much I want Piett or Padmé, Revan would get the majority vote, judging by his stance as a massive addition, which people are always in favor of. Note: I say massive addition because his legacy is so insane (in TOR), that anything less than meta breaking would be a major insult to Revan and that time period altogether.

He is certainly coming. Given 1) the fact that this game has TOR characters and 2) the fact that over time new characters will be added, we can conclude that eventually he will be added. Obviously the only hard no in this game so far has been Porkins. With that being said, when creating a list of characters not currently in the game by precedence, I still think main characters ought to be higher on that list from both a necessity standpoint as well as a marketing standpoint.

Now clearly I don’t have any statistics or evidence outside of anectodal, but my anecdotal evidence suggests that casual fans know the movie characters more than the non-movie characters. And when you’re a company attempting to maximize capital from a game (capital games, anyone?), you’re going to want to appeal to the majority rather than the hardcore minority.

Well, that’s basically what I said, except one thing; Revan is more popular than you presume. I’ve read only one book with Revan in it. That was after I looked him up because his pictures were everywhere and all the “senior” Star Wars fans were discussing him. Plus, he’s just plain cool, which would win over a lot of players.

One other thing: in my experience, in and out of 6 guilds, most players are “hardcore”, not casual fans. Realistically if Revan were released, he wouldn’t be available to anyone under say level 70. And given it’s a buildup toward him, the amount of useless stuff you would have to upgrade to get him would allow him to be available to only the elite: p2p players who are absolutely obsessed with Star Wars.

Now there is nothing wrong with not knowing Revan, or being a casual fan. But with Nihilus as an example and these reasons here, I believe Revan would definitely appeal to the majority, and make an insane amount of money.

"Funderbolts;c-1590924" wrote:
I’m not talking out of different sides of my mouth.

Nor am I asserting that any list is “superior” to any other, sir. I’m giving you my opinion on the matter, which is based on relevance and aims to attract/keep players with the premise that Star Wars characters that are more widely known will be more exciting for more players. I think it’s a pretty simple stance. If I thought my list was superior to yours, I would say exactly that. I don’t feel a need to conceal or hide my intentions, so don’t try to extrapolate things I haven’t said.

I understand that your opinion is different, and that’s fine but I don’t really care as I’m not here to change your mind. If that is “dubious” to you, or somehow insults your fragile opinion, then perhaps you should break contact and not seek to engage in conversation with people whom you don’t agree.

The whole “this character is important to me” statements you’re making are less important than the “this character is important to the game” one, bottom line.

Edited for content. - EA_Cian

And you did it again. Asserting that your list is somehow the objective "important to the game" list.

Also, I do not want Revan to come to the game. They're one of three characters I specifically hope do not come to this game. For reasons I've stated earlier in the thread, along with the terms on which I would not be upset with Revan coming to the game.

"YaeVizsla;c-1590949" wrote:

"Funderbolts;c-1590924" wrote:
I’m not talking out of different sides of my mouth.

Nor am I asserting that any list is “superior” to any other, sir. I’m giving you my opinion on the matter, which is based on relevance and aims to attract/keep players with the premise that Star Wars characters that are more widely known will be more exciting for more players. I think it’s a pretty simple stance. If I thought my list was superior to yours, I would say exactly that. I don’t feel a need to conceal or hide my intentions, so don’t try to extrapolate things I haven’t said.

I understand that your opinion is different, and that’s fine but I don’t really care as I’m not here to change your mind. If that is “dubious” to you, or somehow insults your fragile opinion, then perhaps you should break contact and not seek to engage in conversation with people whom you don’t agree.

The whole “this character is important to me” statements you’re making are less important than the “this character is important to the game” one, bottom line.

Edited for content. - EA_Cian

And you did it again. Asserting that your list is somehow the objective "important to the game" list.

Also, I do not want Revan to come to the game. They're one of three characters I specifically hope do not come to this game. For reasons I've stated earlier in the thread, along with the terms on which I would not be upset with Revan coming to the game.

Why wouldn’t you want more Star Wars characters added to the game?

"Cstone812;c-1590955" wrote:
Why wouldn’t you want more Star Wars characters added to the game?

I want more characters added to the game. There are just three I specifically don't want in the game.

Revan, Meetra Surik, and Slave Leia.

Revan and Meetra for reasons I went over earlier in the thread. Revan and the Exile are first and foremost user generated Bioware protagonists, which made them a key point of representation in the Star Wars universe for a lot of fans. Giving either a race and sex is a Bad Idea and declares conflicting playthroughs invalid. I am aware other products have defined their race and sex. It's a bad idea in those, too, and the mistake should not be repeated.

Slave Leia is on the list for completely different reasons. The image is sleazy, and Disney is right to distance the IP from it.

Revan has an out clause that I would find acceptable, as their iconic look includes heavy, form concealing robes and a mask. Just use neutral pronouns and I would have no objection.

We're gonna get Ebon Hawke this month and then we're gonna get Atton, Bao and Mira. That's why it's HK-47

"YaeVizsla;c-1590949" wrote:

"Funderbolts;c-1590924" wrote:
I’m not talking out of different sides of my mouth.

Nor am I asserting that any list is “superior” to any other, sir. I’m giving you my opinion on the matter, which is based on relevance and aims to attract/keep players with the premise that Star Wars characters that are more widely known will be more exciting for more players. I think it’s a pretty simple stance. If I thought my list was superior to yours, I would say exactly that. I don’t feel a need to conceal or hide my intentions, so don’t try to extrapolate things I haven’t said.

I understand that your opinion is different, and that’s fine but I don’t really care as I’m not here to change your mind. If that is “dubious” to you, or somehow insults your fragile opinion, then perhaps you should break contact and not seek to engage in conversation with people whom you don’t agree.

The whole “this character is important to me” statements you’re making are less important than the “this character is important to the game” one, bottom line.

Edited for content. - EA_Cian

And you did it again. Asserting that your list is somehow the objective "important to the game" list.

Also, I do not want Revan to come to the game. They're one of three characters I specifically hope do not come to this game. For reasons I've stated earlier in the thread, along with the terms on which I would not be upset with Revan coming to the game.

I’ll state it again since you’re missing the point I’m making.

I am not arguing that my “list” of super important fictional characters in a space opera is SUPERIOR to your “list” of super important fictional characters in a space opera.

What’s “important to the game” is certainly objective, but it’s not up to you or me — it’s up to CG. All I’ve said is that from a purely marketing and business stand point, it would make more sense for them to prioritize characters that are well known. That’s it.