I think the current arena pay out system is toxic. It basically rewards those who are able to get other players to quit. I think it's time that we move arena payouts to highest rank achieved that day. Since that payout system would be considerably too easy they should probably start merging the older shards together into 3 or 4 month groups. I know on my shard we have a crazy busy payout where the majority of the top 20 shares 1 hour and all but a few are of the rest are on the hour after. I have seen plenty of people quit or severely reduce play due to our collusion at the top of the shard. It's time to freshen up arena for the health of the game.

Dont change anything ... i m not burden at all

I don't think that merging leaderboards is the best way to prevent collusion, it's simply too difficult to do fairly.

If you merge shards, people will just reconnect and repeat the same process

Highest rank during the day sounds too awesome. CG wouldn't let that happen sadly. I think it would devalue crystals.

"Olddumper;d-120854" wrote:I think it's time that we move arena payouts to highest rank achieved that day.Yes."Olddumper;d-120854" wrote:they should probably start merging the older shards together into 3 or 4 month groups.No.

I think it's time to start merging shards and change payouts.

ZeusZA360
8 years ago
"RancorPackGuild;c-1171681" wrote:
It is easy to do. I agree with op.

Something needs to be done.

I posted a viable solution to it.

Essentially shuffle all the shards, do away with player names and guild names, show top 50 with ability to see roster and mods without player names... and finally post a report button next each team in top 50 in case it looks like other things are fishy with that team that would suggest they should not be at that rank.

Many of those teams already in the top 50 are in these external shard chat servers as is. That is how an UP, (under powered) team takes first place.

Both squad and fleet. Plus same structure if guild vrs guild comes out.

This would remove quite a fun part of the game. Often you will keep on going up against a formidable opponent and you will try and improve your team to beat them. This will often create a rivalry and a sense of competition. If you remove names, you'll have no idea who you are fighting. They could change their team and you wouldn't know what happened to them. That would change arena into something like GW, only with rankings.
Bhaalor71
New Spectator
8 years ago
"RancorPackGuild;c-1171681" wrote:
It is easy to do. I agree with op.

Something needs to be done.

I posted a viable solution to it.

Essentially shuffle all the shards, do away with player names and guild names, show top 50 with ability to see roster and mods without player names... and finally post a report button next each team in top 50 in case it looks like other things are fishy with that team that would suggest they should not be at that rank.

Many of those teams already in the top 50 are in these external shard chat servers as is. That is how an UP, (under powered) team takes first place.

Both squad and fleet. Plus same structure if guild vrs guild comes out.

This would get many to quit the game. With the shards the way they are now you can get into the top 20-50; merge them all and you will suddenly be in the top 200, making it no longer worth playing. If you want a mass exodus, sure, have this implemented.

This has got to be the single worst idea I've ever seen in these forums.
BTTripleZero
8 years ago
"leef;c-1171685" wrote:
"Darth_Julienus1;c-1171682" wrote:
Average rank would be a better way to manage payouts although it won't completely remove collusion. I can already see players "vowing" not to attack each other and bullying others.

that would make collusion even more beneficial actually.

I don't think it would. Right now shards help each other get #1 at their payout. Only a small percentage of the shard directly competes with one another. If it was average rank throughout the day then everyone is competing against each other. Yes, there can be some collusion. But if I don't attack a "friend" when they are the top player available that ends up hurting me, if only slightly.
NyKynoe
8 years ago
I just can't get behind the blank participation reward.

Maybe a compromise :
- each hour becomes a universal payout
- best 2 out of 3 gives you your reward mailed out at personal reset time.
- if no 2 match, rounded down average of the best 3
- rank doesn't count if you did not battle that hour, to avoid going to sleep at 1 and waking up to top rewards.
- keeps competition alive because you still need to battle for the top spot at the top of an hour and more then once.
- maybe go from 5 to 8 battles but for refreshes keep it at 5.
ZeusZA360
8 years ago
"Darth_Julienus1;c-1171682" wrote:
Average rank would be a better way to manage payouts although it won't completely remove collusion. I can already see players "vowing" not to attack each other and bullying others.

This is horrible. The average player already spends +- 3 hours a day playing this game. This would mean you have to constantly check your phone to see if your rank is changing.
NyKynoe
8 years ago
"RancorPackGuild;c-1171681" wrote:
It is easy to do. I agree with op.

Something needs to be done.

I posted a viable solution to it.

Essentially shuffle all the shards, do away with player names and guild names, show top 50 with ability to see roster and mods without player names... and finally post a report button next each team in top 50 in case it looks like other things are fishy with that team that would suggest they should not be at that rank.

Many of those teams already in the top 50 are in these external shard chat servers as is. That is how an UP, (under powered) team takes first place.

Both squad and fleet. Plus same structure if guild vrs guild comes out.

Shuffling doesn't work.

What is your current rank? Now imagine waking up at 50, or 100 spots back because arena was shuffled. There is no fair way to mix up shards.

Also how do they balance payout hours, imagine going from 5 people in your payout to 20, that seems unfair because someone would go from 8 down to 1. There are other issues too, and none of them can be solved without a complex matching and shard tracking process.
TR3Y_66
8 years ago
"RancorPackGuild;c-1171690" wrote:
"WompWompRat;c-1171671" wrote:
If you merge shards, people will just reconnect and repeat the same process

Not if they remove player names and guild names from top 50 in squad and fleet and post a report button next to each team.

What exactly does this accomplish?

And re: OP I for one am adamantly against changing arena payout to highest rank achieved that day, there's no need to make defense even more useless than it already is
ExarTheKun
8 years ago
Hmm.. Sounds like the only way to truly resolve this conflict is allowing players to earn top rewards without the restrictions that come with certain payout timezones. Like letting people take the reward for the highest rank they achieve each day.

Problem is, EA would have to shell out more prizes. That means a greater number of crystals overall, which is more convenient for players who won't have to purchase as many crystals, and could easily stockpile them for events.

This could be balanced out by lowering the reward pools, but as a player who ranks 1st daily, I can't support that kind of transition. So, I vote keep it the way it is ;)
664243
8 years ago
current system is join a line or discord thread and get orders from those who have top priority if not play vs 20 players at once. And 75% of discord shat arena shard are closed they like to keep the good between themselve

the current system is toxic is you vs team.

plenty of viable solution have been posted but apparently this is not a priority at all for the developper.

i see alot of people quitting because after having put a year of effort to reach the top they realise that all along it was some players abusing payout together being greedy.

as you can see in the reply here they feel entitled to have top spot for themselve only.
664243
8 years ago
and to add this thread is gonna get moved to arena strategy which isnt because devs or mods won't deal with this issue this is sad