I don’t know if this is a “known issue” or if there’s a mechanic that I’m missing, but I keep seeing toons shrug off stun and then act.In my last battle, every time I stunned Traya she would come out of stun and instantly have 100% turn meter and take her action as is she hadn’t been stunned. Every time.I double checked her leader skill, and I’m not seeing anything that should be allowing her to do this.

"UlicQ;c-1755630" wrote:"ChristophIV;c-1755621" wrote:She is dispelling all debuffs on Sith allies at the start of their turn.Stunned toon gets 100% TM, stun is removed via Traya's unique, character attacks.But the issue is it’s Traya herself who is stunned, so she shouldn’t be able to dispel a rebuff on herself until she actually gets a turn, and the definition of stun is that the character misses a toon. This would actually be true of any other sith toon too. If they are stunned they don’t get a turn to rebuff themselves.If this is the intent the ability should say all sith are immune to stun. Because that’s basically how it’s working.It's working like this:1) Traya gets 100% TM (start of her turn)2) Her unique checks for any debuffs (still her turn)3) Unique cleans debuffs (still her turn)4) Stun is gone so she can attack."If this is the intent the ability should say all sith are immune to stun" Sith aren't immune to stun though, it still keeps them from assisting etc until they reach their turn.

"UlicQ;c-1755652" wrote:"Liath;c-1755648" wrote:"UlicQ;c-1755647" wrote:"Vos_Landeck;c-1755632" wrote:"UlicQ;d-193364" wrote:I don’t know if this is a “known issue” or if there’s a mechanic that I’m missing, but I keep seeing toons shrug off stun and then act.In my last battle, every time I stunned Traya she would come out of stun and instantly have 100% turn meter and take her action as is she hadn’t been stunned. Every time.Was there a Thrawn present using his special ability on her? If Thrawn was on that team, his special can cleanse her debuff and swap his TM with hers.No, it was 4 v 1, Traya alone. She was stunned. When her TM hit 100% and the stun ended, her TM filled to 100% again and she took a turn.It didn’t fill to 100% again, it never left 100% because she hadn’t finished her turn yet. This has already been answered. Sorry you don’t like the answer but that’s how it works. Just because you answered my question, it doesn’t mean your answer is correct. Your answer includes the words “hadn’t finished her turn yet” but by definition when stunned she doesn’t get a turn. Not sure why that’s so hard to understand.Based on both powers descriptions, she shouldn’t get a turn.Sure, it’s far more likely that the way you want the game to work is correct despite the fact that it has never worked that way. There is no mechanic that treats stun the way you want it to be treated. Another example: Boba’s contract. It applies to the first enemy that takes a turn. If the first enemy to reach 100% TM is stunned and thus doesn’t do anything, that still counts as the first enemy to take a turn for purposes of the contract.

"UlicQ;c-1755666" wrote:And as for the comments about Fulcrum and L3, those are entirely different mechanics at work. L3 dispels someone when she's damaged, so it doesn't require a turn, so it would make sense that she could dispel it on herself if she was stunned and then took damage. And Fulcrum (Ahsoka) dispels debuffs on herslf at the end of "each" turn, i.e. anyone's turn not her own. So it makes sense for her to shrug stun off as soon as she's hit with it, as her dispel would fire when the attacker who stunned her ends their turn.The issue with Traya's ability as it's described as she (or any sith) to have an action for the dispel to cleanse them, but the stun "should" negate that turn.As I said, if this is working as intended it should be reworded to say all Sith are immune to stun because that's basically what's happening.Firstly, your definition of stun is wrong. Basiclly what happens when you are stunned, your character loses 100% of its turn meter at start of its turn (which is why they still get their cooldowns reduced by turn and with your definition that shouldnt happen). Now this game and alot of other games have somthing called order of actions. And traya's cleanse have a priority on stun which means that first her cleanse do its thing then stun do its thing but since cleanse removes stun nothing happens. I hope I helped

"UlicQ;c-1755668" wrote:"Liath;c-1755656" wrote:"UlicQ;c-1755652" wrote:"Liath;c-1755648" wrote:"UlicQ;c-1755647" wrote:"Vos_Landeck;c-1755632" wrote:"UlicQ;d-193364" wrote:I don’t know if this is a “known issue” or if there’s a mechanic that I’m missing, but I keep seeing toons shrug off stun and then act.In my last battle, every time I stunned Traya she would come out of stun and instantly have 100% turn meter and take her action as is she hadn’t been stunned. Every time.Was there a Thrawn present using his special ability on her? If Thrawn was on that team, his special can cleanse her debuff and swap his TM with hers.No, it was 4 v 1, Traya alone. She was stunned. When her TM hit 100% and the stun ended, her TM filled to 100% again and she took a turn.It didn’t fill to 100% again, it never left 100% because she hadn’t finished her turn yet. This has already been answered. Sorry you don’t like the answer but that’s how it works. Just because you answered my question, it doesn’t mean your answer is correct. Your answer includes the words “hadn’t finished her turn yet” but by definition when stunned she doesn’t get a turn. Not sure why that’s so hard to understand.Based on both powers descriptions, she shouldn’t get a turn.Sure, it’s far more likely that the way you want the game to work is correct despite the fact that it has never worked that way. There is no mechanic that treats stun the way you want it to be treated. Another example: Boba’s contract. It applies to the first enemy that takes a turn. If the first enemy to reach 100% TM is stunned and thus doesn’t do anything, that still counts as the first enemy to take a turn for purposes of the contract. Not sure why my original reply disappeared. Anyway roughly what I said:I'm not trying to be rude, but the way I've described stun is the way it's worked for as long as I can remember. How does stun work when you use it on a character? Do they not miss their next turn? Because they should.And I'd argue that if it's working the way you describe on Boba's contract (I've never tested that), the mechanic should be fixed there as well. Either that or the definition of what stun is supposed to do needs to be changed.I have no idea in what circumstances you believe it used to work that way. Here’s another example: Krennic can stun for 2 turns. If being stunned means you don’t get a turn, how can that stun ever end?

"UlicQ;c-1755719" wrote:"Sarith_LeKit;c-1755669" wrote:"UlicQ;c-1755666" wrote:And as for the comments about Fulcrum and L3, those are entirely different mechanics at work. L3 dispels someone when she's damaged, so it doesn't require a turn, so it would make sense that she could dispel it on herself if she was stunned and then took damage. And Fulcrum (Ahsoka) dispels debuffs on herslf at the end of "each" turn, i.e. anyone's turn not her own. So it makes sense for her to shrug stun off as soon as she's hit with it, as her dispel would fire when the attacker who stunned her ends their turn.The issue with Traya's ability as it's described as she (or any sith) to have an action for the dispel to cleanse them, but the stun "should" negate that turn.As I said, if this is working as intended it should be reworded to say all Sith are immune to stun because that's basically what's happening.Firstly, your definition of stun is wrong. Basiclly what happens when you are stunned, your character loses 100% of its turn meter at start of its turn (which is why they still get their cooldowns reduced by turn and with your definition that shouldnt happen). Now this game and alot of other games have somthing called order of actions. And traya's cleanse have a priority on stun which means that first her cleanse do its thing then stun do its thing but since cleanse removes stun nothing happens. I hope I helpedMy definition of stun is straight from how it's described in the game: SWGOH: Debuff: Stun: Character misses a turn and cannot avoid attacks. Here's a complete buff/debuff list if you want to look for yourself: https://gaming-fans.com/star-wars-goh/swgoh-resources/buffs-debuffs-list/Furthermore, after reading your reply I tested it on another team and never once did a character lose ANY turn meter when stun was applied. After being stunned, they retained all turn meter and continued gaining turn meter until they reached 100% at which time, they were NOT allowed to act and their turn meter was instantly reduced to 0%. If what you describe is happening when you use stun I'd love to see a video of it, because I have NEVER seen stun work the way you describe it.Also, I agree 100% with the order of operations argument, unfortunately when looking at the order of operations logically, one has to have a turn in order to gain any benefits from that turn, but if a character is supposed to miss their turn, the order should be for them to miss their turn above all else (unless otherwise described - which it is not in this case).If you would've read his post carefully you'd realize he wrote " your characters loses 100% of its turn meter at start of its turn".

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Lethoiun
New Spectator
6 years ago
i figured it was because they gain turn meter and end their turn, which ends their stun? Some abilities remove stun and then allow them to attack.

At start of each sith's turn traya dispells all debuffs?
Iy4oy4s
New Novice
6 years ago
"Lethoiun;c-1755623" wrote:
i figured it was because they gain turn meter and end their turn, which ends their stun? Some abilities remove stun and then allow them to attack.

At start of each sith's turn traya dispells all debuffs?

Yup, Sith just laugh at debuffs when Traya is present. It very annoying if you don’t have a counter. CLS, Han, chewie, R2 with 3po are a really good counter now.
NikoSWGoH
6 years ago
Only works on siths so.. you can use stun on Thrawn for example, who is only empire, and remove turn meter on siths
Daronk77
6 years ago
"ChristophIV;c-1755621" wrote:
She is dispelling all debuffs on Sith allies at the start of their turn.

Stunned toon gets 100% TM, stun is removed via Traya's unique, character attacks.

But the issue is it’s Traya herself who is stunned, so she shouldn’t be able to dispel a debuff on herself until she actually gets a turn, and the definition of stun is that the character misses a turn. This would actually be true of any other sith toon too. If they are stunned they don’t get a turn to dispel themselves.

If this is the intent the ability should say all sith are immune to stun. Because that’s basically how it’s working.
Jimbo3772
6 years ago
"UlicQ;d-193364" wrote:
I don’t know if this is a “known issue” or if there’s a mechanic that I’m missing, but I keep seeing toons shrug off stun and then act.

In my last battle, every time I stunned Traya she would come out of stun and instantly have 100% turn meter and take her action as is she hadn’t been stunned. Every time.

Was there a Thrawn present using his special ability on her? If Thrawn was on that team, his special can cleanse her debuff and swap his TM with hers.
stumpoman
6 years ago
If traya is zeta'd any debuff on a sith, including stun, will be removed at the start of their turn. It's working as intended
LiathSW
6 years ago
"UlicQ;c-1755630" wrote:
"ChristophIV;c-1755621" wrote:
She is dispelling all debuffs on Sith allies at the start of their turn.

Stunned toon gets 100% TM, stun is removed via Traya's unique, character attacks.

But the issue is it’s Traya herself who is stunned, so she shouldn’t be able to dispel a debuff on herself until she actually gets a turn, and the definition of stun is that the character misses a turn. This would actually be true of any other sith toon too. If they are stunned they don’t get a turn to dispel themselves.

If this is the intent the ability should say all sith are immune to stun. Because that’s basically how it’s working.

Uniques don’t require taking an action so it doesn’t matter if she’s stunned at the time or not.

They aren’t immune to stun. If they are plagued so that debuffs can’t be cleansed, it won’t get cleansed, for example. This is no different than Ahsoka removing debuffs from herself, and she has been in the game for a long time.
DVZR
6 years ago
You will also see this a lot with L3 who can get stunned but immediatly cleanse herself.
Daronk77
6 years ago
"Vos_Landeck;c-1755632" wrote:
"UlicQ;d-193364" wrote:
I don’t know if this is a “known issue” or if there’s a mechanic that I’m missing, but I keep seeing toons shrug off stun and then act.

In my last battle, every time I stunned Traya she would come out of stun and instantly have 100% turn meter and take her action as is she hadn’t been stunned. Every time.

Was there a Thrawn present using his special ability on her? If Thrawn was on that team, his special can cleanse her debuff and swap his TM with hers.

No, it was 4 v 1, Traya alone. She was stunned. When her TM hit 100% and the stun ended, her TM filled to 100% again and she took a turn.
LiathSW
6 years ago
"UlicQ;c-1755647" wrote:
"Vos_Landeck;c-1755632" wrote:
"UlicQ;d-193364" wrote:
I don’t know if this is a “known issue” or if there’s a mechanic that I’m missing, but I keep seeing toons shrug off stun and then act.

In my last battle, every time I stunned Traya she would come out of stun and instantly have 100% turn meter and take her action as is she hadn’t been stunned. Every time.

Was there a Thrawn present using his special ability on her? If Thrawn was on that team, his special can cleanse her debuff and swap his TM with hers.

No, it was 4 v 1, Traya alone. She was stunned. When her TM hit 100% and the stun ended, her TM filled to 100% again and she took a turn.

It didn’t fill to 100% again, it never left 100% because she hadn’t finished her turn yet. This has already been answered. Sorry you don’t like the answer but that’s how it works.