Kit Reveal: Finalizer

Looks nice.

Are the synergy suggestions the unlock requirements as well?

Like raddus, needs a complete fleet around it...neg killed home1 already, not sure these new capitals are knocking off neg?

"SparkyBurns;c-2069689" wrote:

"Ultra;c-2069631" wrote:

"CG_SBCrumb;d-225033" wrote:


Unique: Two Steps Ahead

FINAL TEXT: At the start of battle the Finalizer gains 15 Speed for each other active First Order ally until the end of its first turn. All First Order allies active at the start of battle have +50% Max Health and have their Reinforcement abilities activated (debuffs from these abilities will not be inflicted).

First Order allies recover 25% Health when they critically hit an enemy. If a First Order ally defeats a Hunted enemy, that ally gains 25% Critical Damage (stacking, max 5 stacks) until the end of battle.

KRU is going to single handedly destroy the meta

I think this is a bit aggressive. I know my r5 6dot mod KRU Tie Silencer is still one of the easiest to destroy ships out there. It'll have a lot more utility here but with no tanks the good fleets can probably wipe him really fast and that'll cripple this squad.

We'll see

R7 Silencer will have 170K Health due to the +50% Max health from Finalizers Unique and will heal itself for 42K with every crit he scores. Its one of the fastest ships out there and there are many options to make him even faster or let him attack out of turn to regenerate HP.
Dont think he will be squishi in a Finalizer Fleet.

With Rose coming...I will go FO for sure

They forgot to list its second unique, which reads as follows:

KYLO-HATING SPY:

If Kylo Ren is on the field, all attacks will target Kylo Ren. If multiple Kylo Rens, each will be attacked. All Kylo Rens start the battle Hunted.

If any enemy is Resistance, these effects apply to all First Order units.

@CG_SBCrumb Could you clarify something regarding the kit. The kit says no debuffs will be activated from the starting line ups reinforcement abilities. Is First Order Special Forces Tie Fighter's -20% tenacity considered a debuff or a stat change for the purposes of this ability?

"HK22;c-2069912" wrote:
@CG_SBCrumb Could you clarify something regarding the kit. The kit says no debuffs will be activated from the starting line ups reinforcement abilities. Is First Order Special Forces Tie Fighter's -20% tenacity considered a debuff or a stat change for the purposes of this ability?

Stat percent changes is a flat effect. Like +20% TM, it’s not the same as “speed up” buff. So things like -20% tenacity or +15% offense is not the same as “tenacity down” and “offense up” (de)buffs.

"Ultra;c-2069890" wrote:

"GA_Phoenix;c-2069770" wrote:

"SparkyBurns;c-2069689" wrote:

"Ultra;c-2069631" wrote:

"CG_SBCrumb;d-225033" wrote:


Unique: Two Steps Ahead

FINAL TEXT: At the start of battle the Finalizer gains 15 Speed for each other active First Order ally until the end of its first turn. All First Order allies active at the start of battle have +50% Max Health and have their Reinforcement abilities activated (debuffs from these abilities will not be inflicted).

First Order allies recover 25% Health when they critically hit an enemy. If a First Order ally defeats a Hunted enemy, that ally gains 25% Critical Damage (stacking, max 5 stacks) until the end of battle.

KRU is going to single handedly destroy the meta

I think this is a bit aggressive. I know my r5 6dot mod KRU Tie Silencer is still one of the easiest to destroy ships out there. It'll have a lot more utility here but with no tanks the good fleets can probably wipe him really fast and that'll cripple this squad.

We'll see

R7 Silencer will have 170K Health due to the +50% Max health from Finalizers Unique and will heal itself for 42K with every crit he scores. Its one of the fastest ships out there and there are many options to make him even faster or let him attack out of turn to regenerate HP.
Dont think he will be squishi in a Finalizer Fleet.

Let’s not forget the KRU will have Afterburner + Offense Up + Defense Penetration if finalizer goes first (seems like it will). This with command shuttle giving advantage and 100% TM should kill anyone with his special

Let's look at it from a Negotiator standpoint (which I'm familiar with... don't know about Malevolence). You'll get the opportunity to go first and wreck someone on the opposing team. If you target Anakin, you kill him, cause Unending Loyalty to go off, and put him in stealth. Now you can't hurt him and he's free to put the hurt on anyone in your squad. You're possibly going to get to go again, even with Tie Silencer potentially because of Command Shuttle feeding TM.

If your opponent's lineup has Ahsoka or Rex, you can kill either one of them pretty easily I imagine. But then Anakin gets a boosted attack, he may not get the TM gain but he'll still do a ton of damage. Might not kill Silencer in one hit, but probably could take out any of the other ships since there's really no tank. If you do have HT in the lineup, he can put buff immunity and healing immunity on it with his AoE which also does big damage to everyone else. Either way you'll have a huge chunk of damage taken off of pretty much everyone, especially if you have HT because you get less FO boosts with him in the starting lineup. Negotiator is free to put Unending Loyalty back up on Anakin and it starts again.

If your opponent starts with a lineup of Fives, HT, and Anakin, you may not be able to kill any of them in your opening hits, Fives is really tanky at high levels.

Combine all this with the fact that CG essentially refers to the fleet as a "second fleet for GAC or TW" and I'm not sure this one ends up unseating the top two of Malevolence and Negotiator. Maybe it's better than the HMF Rebels fleets, but probably not. It's a cool fleet and I like it certainly more than the Raddus, but I'm not holding my breath that suddenly this turns all the First Order ships (which were not great by any stretch of the imagination) into the top dog

"SparkyBurns;c-2070499" wrote:

Let's look at it from a Negotiator standpoint (which I'm familiar with... don't know about Malevolence). You'll get the opportunity to go first and wreck someone on the opposing team. If you target Anakin, you kill him, cause Unending Loyalty to go off, and put him in stealth. Now you can't hurt him and he's free to put the hurt on anyone in your squad. You're possibly going to get to go again, even with Tie Silencer potentially because of Command Shuttle feeding TM.

The paper strategy against Negotiator seems to be something like put Hunted on Anakin, let him rot until you can catch him without UL (with offence down which can be inflicted with another special and without tons of bonus turns he isn't that dangerous) and kill other ships. Will it work or not we will see soon enough when some whales will buy this ship.