Leviathan mirror battle

It is easy to win if you go first or second.

It is easy to lose if you go first or second.

"scuba;c-2445935" wrote:
It is easy to lose if you go first or second.

Is it though?

"LordDirt;c-2445934" wrote:
It is easy to win if you go first or second.

You can’t easily beat an all R9 fleet with the right RI order if you go second. Post a video please. I have R9 Sass and can’t do it if I lose the first cap ship coin flip and then win the second Sass coin flip.

I dont know about all the gear levels of my opponents but my start is this:

Fury, B-28, Sith Fighter

Attack their B-28, attack engines, call in Tie Dagger, attack hangers, call in Mark 6 and destroy their B-28 or if you already destroyed it go after their Fury. Now they will take over your capital ship but you just need to take out all their ships one by one and leave their Mark 6 for last.

Yes every once in awhile you can lose but it shouldn’t be often. I win all the time after losing my capital ship.

"LordDirt;c-2445939" wrote:

"scuba;c-2445935" wrote:
It is easy to lose if you go first or second.

Is it though?

Yes when opponents have right RI order.
I have lost plenty going second.
Sure if mk6 is called out first it is easy, not so much when it comes second and eats your SF or Fury.

"Dick_Viking;c-2446003" wrote:

"scuba;c-2445932" wrote:
It is what some cried and complained to CG for.

I'm not sure I understand the plusses to a coin-flip meta. A mirror Ult race? It's the laziest thing ever.

Did people really ask for this? Same thing w/ Exec mirrors, I know I didn't ask for something like that.

Yes some players are asking for no other counters to leviantian other than leviathan. Everytime another counter shows up, the crying threads about it pop up.

"Notthatguyfrombefore;c-2446009" wrote:

"Justokay;c-2445947" wrote:

"scuba;c-2445945" wrote:

"LordDirt;c-2445939" wrote:

"scuba;c-2445935" wrote:
It is easy to lose if you go first or second.

Is it though?

Yes when opponents have right RI order.
I have lost plenty going second.
Sure if mk6 is called out first it is easy, not so much when it comes second and eats your SF or Fury.

This. An R9 Sass and someone that knows how to set the RI makes every battle RNG based.

The Levi mirror isn’t 100%, but is still very winnable with good strategy. I usually have to beat someone with a 7* to my 6* Levi, and r7 SAss compared to my r5. I always lose the first two big decisions but still only lose about 20% of the time, with half of those being timeouts. The rest of the time, as long as you are playing shrewdly with TM gain from SF even if you lose the ult it’s still very winnable. The enemy AI just isn’t that smart.

"Morgoth01;c-2446008" wrote:
Exec mirrors had a lot more options for winning. My Piett is still on relic level behind most others and I had very near 100% win rate on mirror, especially in arena where you can define fleet based on all possible ships.

Prof mirrors where the same, never lost them (after a short learning period) regardless of going first or second.

Levi feels different. I do mostly win with my R7 Sith Assasin without all 6-dot mods (meaning I almost always go after opponent with Sith Fighter), but it feels like the win conditions on mirrors are harder to control.
For those looking for tips on mirrors, I start with fury, bomber, fighter and bring in Vader as first RI. Usually that help me get back in front, despite loosing the coin flip.

Why Vader and not the Dorito? Genuine question, really interested.

In my experience I win more with that RI.
Vader hit very hard, can’t be evaded even by foresight and can remove taunt from bomber to open other ships up for a few hits to feed TM.

"Morgoth01;c-2446039" wrote:

"Notthatguyfrombefore;c-2446009" wrote:

"Justokay;c-2445947" wrote:

"scuba;c-2445945" wrote:

"LordDirt;c-2445939" wrote:

"scuba;c-2445935" wrote:
It is easy to lose if you go first or second.

Is it though?

Yes when opponents have right RI order.
I have lost plenty going second.
Sure if mk6 is called out first it is easy, not so much when it comes second and eats your SF or Fury.

This. An R9 Sass and someone that knows how to set the RI makes every battle RNG based.

The Levi mirror isn’t 100%, but is still very winnable with good strategy. I usually have to beat someone with a 7* to my 6* Levi, and r7 SAss compared to my r5. I always lose the first two big decisions but still only lose about 20% of the time, with half of those being timeouts. The rest of the time, as long as you are playing shrewdly with TM gain from SF even if you lose the ult it’s still very winnable. The enemy AI just isn’t that smart.

"Morgoth01;c-2446008" wrote:
Exec mirrors had a lot more options for winning. My Piett is still on relic level behind most others and I had very near 100% win rate on mirror, especially in arena where you can define fleet based on all possible ships.

Prof mirrors where the same, never lost them (after a short learning period) regardless of going first or second.

Levi feels different. I do mostly win with my R7 Sith Assasin without all 6-dot mods (meaning I almost always go after opponent with Sith Fighter), but it feels like the win conditions on mirrors are harder to control.
For those looking for tips on mirrors, I start with fury, bomber, fighter and bring in Vader as first RI. Usually that help me get back in front, despite loosing the coin flip.

Why Vader and not the Dorito? Genuine question, really interested.

In my experience I win more with that RI.
Vader hit very hard, can’t be evaded even by foresight and can remove taunt from bomber to open other ships up for a few hits to feed TM.

Thanks. Nice idea, I may give it a go.

"LordDeuce;c-2446051" wrote:
Not understanding how your Vader can do any damage, when the first reinforcements are instantly killed by a 7 star Leviathan

Unless you get it out before they sabotage hangars. I can’t remember the last time I lost an RI to that. Usually dagger before the sabotage, and mkVI after but before one of us ults.

I don't think the people who wanted Levi to perform as CG advertised are the one's complaining about the mirrors, tbh, but I'm too lazy to go back and look. I'm not complaining about mirrors, I have no problems winning unless I lose both the cap ship rng and lose the SASS coin flip. Even then not impossible, but more difficult. Honestly, the more impactful determination for me at least is whose SASS goes first, as I find if mine does, regardless of whose cap ship went first, I win pretty much 100% of the time