Leviathan mirror battle

"scuba;c-2445945" wrote:

"LordDirt;c-2445939" wrote:

"scuba;c-2445935" wrote:
It is easy to lose if you go first or second.

Is it though?

Yes when opponents have right RI order.
I have lost plenty going second.
Sure if mk6 is called out first it is easy, not so much when it comes second and eats your SF or Fury.

This. An R9 Sass and someone that knows how to set the RI makes every battle RNG based.

"scuba;c-2445932" wrote:
It is what some cried and complained to CG for.

I'm not sure I understand the plusses to a coin-flip meta. A mirror Ult race? It's the laziest thing ever.

Did people really ask for this? Same thing w/ Exec mirrors, I know I didn't ask for something like that.

Exec mirrors had a lot more options for winning. My Piett is still on relic level behind most others and I had very near 100% win rate on mirror, especially in arena where you can define fleet based on all possible ships.

Prof mirrors where the same, never lost them (after a short learning period) regardless of going first or second.

Levi feels different. I do mostly win with my R7 Sith Assasin without all 6-dot mods (meaning I almost always go after opponent with Sith Fighter), but it feels like the win conditions on mirrors are harder to control.
For those looking for tips on mirrors, I start with fury, bomber, fighter and bring in Vader as first RI. Usually that help me get back in front, despite loosing the coin flip.

"Justokay;c-2445947" wrote:

"scuba;c-2445945" wrote:

"LordDirt;c-2445939" wrote:

"scuba;c-2445935" wrote:
It is easy to lose if you go first or second.

Is it though?

Yes when opponents have right RI order.
I have lost plenty going second.
Sure if mk6 is called out first it is easy, not so much when it comes second and eats your SF or Fury.

This. An R9 Sass and someone that knows how to set the RI makes every battle RNG based.

The Levi mirror isn’t 100%, but is still very winnable with good strategy. I usually have to beat someone with a 7* to my 6* Levi, and r7 SAss compared to my r5. I always lose the first two big decisions but still only lose about 20% of the time, with half of those being timeouts. The rest of the time, as long as you are playing shrewdly with TM gain from SF even if you lose the ult it’s still very winnable. The enemy AI just isn’t that smart.

"Morgoth01;c-2446008" wrote:
Exec mirrors had a lot more options for winning. My Piett is still on relic level behind most others and I had very near 100% win rate on mirror, especially in arena where you can define fleet based on all possible ships.

Prof mirrors where the same, never lost them (after a short learning period) regardless of going first or second.

Levi feels different. I do mostly win with my R7 Sith Assasin without all 6-dot mods (meaning I almost always go after opponent with Sith Fighter), but it feels like the win conditions on mirrors are harder to control.
For those looking for tips on mirrors, I start with fury, bomber, fighter and bring in Vader as first RI. Usually that help me get back in front, despite loosing the coin flip.

Why Vader and not the Dorito? Genuine question, really interested.

When up against higher relics I use phantom for first reinforcement, then set next round. Take out sass with one-shot. Then you win the ult race. Clean up.

"Dick_Viking;c-2446003" wrote:

"scuba;c-2445932" wrote:
It is what some cried and complained to CG for.

I'm not sure I understand the plusses to a coin-flip meta. A mirror Ult race? It's the laziest thing ever.

Did people really ask for this? Same thing w/ Exec mirrors, I know I didn't ask for something like that.

Yes some players are asking for no other counters to leviantian other than leviathan. Everytime another counter shows up, the crying threads about it pop up.

"Notthatguyfrombefore;c-2446009" wrote:

"Justokay;c-2445947" wrote:

"scuba;c-2445945" wrote:

"LordDirt;c-2445939" wrote:

"scuba;c-2445935" wrote:
It is easy to lose if you go first or second.

Is it though?

Yes when opponents have right RI order.
I have lost plenty going second.
Sure if mk6 is called out first it is easy, not so much when it comes second and eats your SF or Fury.

This. An R9 Sass and someone that knows how to set the RI makes every battle RNG based.

The Levi mirror isn’t 100%, but is still very winnable with good strategy. I usually have to beat someone with a 7* to my 6* Levi, and r7 SAss compared to my r5. I always lose the first two big decisions but still only lose about 20% of the time, with half of those being timeouts. The rest of the time, as long as you are playing shrewdly with TM gain from SF even if you lose the ult it’s still very winnable. The enemy AI just isn’t that smart.

"Morgoth01;c-2446008" wrote:
Exec mirrors had a lot more options for winning. My Piett is still on relic level behind most others and I had very near 100% win rate on mirror, especially in arena where you can define fleet based on all possible ships.

Prof mirrors where the same, never lost them (after a short learning period) regardless of going first or second.

Levi feels different. I do mostly win with my R7 Sith Assasin without all 6-dot mods (meaning I almost always go after opponent with Sith Fighter), but it feels like the win conditions on mirrors are harder to control.
For those looking for tips on mirrors, I start with fury, bomber, fighter and bring in Vader as first RI. Usually that help me get back in front, despite loosing the coin flip.

Why Vader and not the Dorito? Genuine question, really interested.

In my experience I win more with that RI.
Vader hit very hard, can’t be evaded even by foresight and can remove taunt from bomber to open other ships up for a few hits to feed TM.

Not understanding how your Vader can do any damage, when the first reinforcements are instantly killed by a 7 star Leviathan

"Morgoth01;c-2446039" wrote:

"Notthatguyfrombefore;c-2446009" wrote:

"Justokay;c-2445947" wrote:

"scuba;c-2445945" wrote:

"LordDirt;c-2445939" wrote:

"scuba;c-2445935" wrote:
It is easy to lose if you go first or second.

Is it though?

Yes when opponents have right RI order.
I have lost plenty going second.
Sure if mk6 is called out first it is easy, not so much when it comes second and eats your SF or Fury.

This. An R9 Sass and someone that knows how to set the RI makes every battle RNG based.

The Levi mirror isn’t 100%, but is still very winnable with good strategy. I usually have to beat someone with a 7* to my 6* Levi, and r7 SAss compared to my r5. I always lose the first two big decisions but still only lose about 20% of the time, with half of those being timeouts. The rest of the time, as long as you are playing shrewdly with TM gain from SF even if you lose the ult it’s still very winnable. The enemy AI just isn’t that smart.

"Morgoth01;c-2446008" wrote:
Exec mirrors had a lot more options for winning. My Piett is still on relic level behind most others and I had very near 100% win rate on mirror, especially in arena where you can define fleet based on all possible ships.

Prof mirrors where the same, never lost them (after a short learning period) regardless of going first or second.

Levi feels different. I do mostly win with my R7 Sith Assasin without all 6-dot mods (meaning I almost always go after opponent with Sith Fighter), but it feels like the win conditions on mirrors are harder to control.
For those looking for tips on mirrors, I start with fury, bomber, fighter and bring in Vader as first RI. Usually that help me get back in front, despite loosing the coin flip.

Why Vader and not the Dorito? Genuine question, really interested.

In my experience I win more with that RI.
Vader hit very hard, can’t be evaded even by foresight and can remove taunt from bomber to open other ships up for a few hits to feed TM.

Thanks. Nice idea, I may give it a go.

"LordDeuce;c-2446051" wrote:
Not understanding how your Vader can do any damage, when the first reinforcements are instantly killed by a 7 star Leviathan

Unless you get it out before they sabotage hangars. I can’t remember the last time I lost an RI to that. Usually dagger before the sabotage, and mkVI after but before one of us ults.

"LordDeuce;c-2446051" wrote:
Not understanding how your Vader can do any damage, when the first reinforcements are instantly killed by a 7 star Leviathan

Once in a blue moon it does happen that opponent leap me enough that first RI dies, but that is extremely rare.

How do you end up in that situation? Prioritising your own destroy hangars over reinforcing?