Merciless Massacre kit -- does it make sense yet?

"dgree;d-237788" wrote:

Also, just pointing out while we're here that MM doesn't properly apply Merciless Target to "all enemies" if they're stealthed.

Do you have the No Escape zeta? I've never had an issue with stealth once that is zeta'd

BTW I'm aware that No Escape removes Stealth and allows you to apply Merciless Target to a formerly stealthed enemy--talking about a still-stealthed enemy here though.

@jawa7778 Vader attacks can trigger JKA bonus turns and then Padme bonus turns, as well as Malak bonus turns. Also Droideka charge.

I forgot about this since at the time I assumed it was meant to interact with a future GL kit, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

"MikKro;c-2189123" wrote:
Based on the wording, it would seem to stop things like padme's bonus turns since they are based on anakin's turns but It doesn't. Only a dev could explain what exactly it's supposed to do

But Padme's turn is based on Anakin's bonus turn, not Vader's. I'm not aware of any interaction currently in the game that would apply.

If would be less confusing if they would just eliminate wording like that, and then add it into the kit when it becomes applicable. These abilities are already so confusing for the average player. CG really needs to try and make them simpler to understand. I'm not sure they really grasp how much of a turn off this is to the casual player.

"Darth Vader's bonus turns do not trigger other characters' effects based on bonus turns or Turn Meter gain."

I don't think we have a character in the game right now that gains an effect or does something when any ally or enemy gaining a bonus turn

This would most likely look like
"Everytime ally gains a bonus turn x happens"
Or
"Everytime enemy gains a bonus turn x happens"

So as others have said it is most likely future proofing

JKA/GG bonus turn is not triggered by DV getting a bonus turn, it is triggered by the damage DV does

The TM gain simply means he is getting a bonus turn not a 100% tm gain, though technically they are similar, they are tagged differently. This actually applies to every character that gets a bonus turn or can do a TM swap, they just spelled it out here.
So if SLKR was on the team with DV that means DV should not lose protection and health for his bonus turns same as if facing Rey, inspired LS allies should not be gaining mastery for his bonus turns.

"dgree;d-237788" wrote:
"Darth Vader's bonus turns do not trigger other characters' effects based on bonus turns or Turn Meter gain."

AFAIK this is referring to other characters who have effects triggering specifically not from turns, but bonus turns. Does any character's kit interact with this yet?


Also, just pointing out while we're here that MM doesn't properly apply Merciless Target to "all enemies" if they're stealthed.

In order to apply Merciless Target to stealthed enemies you have to have Vader's No Escape unique Zeta-that allows him to remove Stealth from enemies upon activating MM.

As for MM's interaction with bonus turns, I have no ideas, but then again I haven't studied all the kits thoroughly. My apologies regardless for not being to help with that.

"dgree;d-237788" wrote:
"Darth Vader's bonus turns do not trigger other characters' effects based on bonus turns or Turn Meter gain."

AFAIK this is referring to other characters who have effects triggering specifically not from turns, but bonus turns. Does any character's kit interact with this yet?


Also, just pointing out while we're here that MM doesn't properly apply Merciless Target to "all enemies" if they're stealthed.

I think the bonus turn thing applies to characters such as Jedi Knight Anakin. I believe if you have MM active, and kill a character, he won't be able to take his bonus turn and deal massive damage. Same with malak, if you damage him below a certain threshold, he normally takes a bonus turn, but now he won't. And, as others have stated, you need to have the No Escape zeta to remove stealth.

"dgree;c-2189042" wrote:
BTW I'm aware that No Escape removes Stealth and allows you to apply Merciless Target to a formerly stealthed enemy--talking about a still-stealthed enemy here though.

@jawa7778 Vader attacks can trigger JKA bonus turns and then Padme bonus turns, as well as Malak bonus turns. Also Droideka charge.

I forgot about this since at the time I assumed it was meant to interact with a future GL kit, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

You're sure Vader's attacks trigger those bonus turns? That seems really weird. I can't see the value of that effect then. Are you sure it wasn't after the MM effect cleared? Also, in what scenario are you using MM with the No Escape zeta and it's not clearing stealth? I haven't seen that happen before.

GG still takes his bonus turns too if Vader defeats any characters under that

Correct, that one line is future proofing, if that ever becomes a thing.

"dgree;c-2189042" wrote:
BTW I'm aware that No Escape removes Stealth and allows you to apply Merciless Target to a formerly stealthed enemy--talking about a still-stealthed enemy here though.

jawa7778 Vader attacks can trigger JKA bonus turns and then Padme bonus turns, as well as Malak bonus turns. Also Droideka charge.

I forgot about this since at the time I assumed it was meant to interact with a future GL kit, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

What you are describing about bonus turns is WAI, none of those characters bonus turns are based on TM of bonus turns.

If you have any pics or video of the stealth removal not working that would be helpful, I have not seen it not work correctly.

Based on the wording, it would seem to stop things like padme's bonus turns since they are based on anakin's turns but It doesn't. Only a dev could explain what exactly it's supposed to do