Hi all, I have a question about how protection - for example - is calculated. My FO Stormtrooper's base protection (without mods) is 25,335. He gains 77.73% bonus protection on a percentage basis from primary and secondary mod stats.He gains a flat 8692 protection from secondary mod stats. His ending protection is 53,718. That means the game applies the 77.73% first, and then adds the base protection. (25335 x 1.7773) + 8692 = 53718If the game applied base protection first, and then the percentage addition: (25335 + 8692) x 1.7773 = 60,476 protectionWhy does the game calculate stats this way? Can anyone think of a good reason? 6758 protection is a big difference over something so simple.

Not sure about a good reason, but basically all mod stats are calculated off the base stats and added to the base. So no mod stat is used in the calculation.They also only calculate off of the base stats of closed gear lvls, so any stat added by gear you can see is not used in mod calculations.

Because Mods and base stats are something different entirely. It makes sense for mods to calculate their stats based on the base stats, and not calculate them based on the modded stats. Why should mods synergize with their own bonuses?

"Waez;c-1165375" wrote:Because Mods and base stats are something different entirely. It makes sense for mods to calculate their stats based on the base stats, and not calculate them based on the modded stats. Why should mods synergize with their own bonuses?This is true but the flat bonuses could have been added in before % bonuses were calculated. That wouldn't be odd at all.

"Kyno;c-1165377" wrote:"Waez;c-1165375" wrote:Because Mods and base stats are something different entirely. It makes sense for mods to calculate their stats based on the base stats, and not calculate them based on the modded stats. Why should mods synergize with their own bonuses?This is true but the flat bonuses could have been added in before % bonuses were calculated. That wouldn't be odd at all.This is what I meant. Sorry if it was confusing. Why is the percentage bonus added before the flat bonus, rather than the opposite? Flat bonus, then percentage bonus, yields higher end results.

"OnEMesSduPKiD;c-1165390" wrote:"Kyno;c-1165377" wrote:"Waez;c-1165375" wrote:Because Mods and base stats are something different entirely. It makes sense for mods to calculate their stats based on the base stats, and not calculate them based on the modded stats. Why should mods synergize with their own bonuses?This is true but the flat bonuses could have been added in before % bonuses were calculated. That wouldn't be odd at all.This is what I meant. Sorry if it was confusing. Why is the percentage bonus added before the flat bonus, rather than the opposite? Flat bonus, then percentage bonus, yields higher end results. Because you're thinking about it wrong. It's not applying the percentage boost then the other, it's adding them both to the base stat. Be glad very glad. If it was the other instead of 90% of mods being useless it would be 99.9% of mods being trash, because nothing any set except speed would matter.

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NyKynoe
8 years ago
Not sure about a good reason, but basically all mod stats are calculated off the base stats and added to the base. So no mod stat is used in the calculation.

They also only calculate off of the base stats of closed gear lvls, so any stat added by gear you can see is not used in mod calculations.
DfnitelyNotSikh
8 years ago
Because Mods and base stats are something different entirely.

It makes sense for mods to calculate their stats based on the base stats, and not calculate them based on the modded stats.

Why should mods synergize with their own bonuses?
NyKynoe
8 years ago
"Waez;c-1165375" wrote:
Because Mods and base stats are something different entirely.

It makes sense for mods to calculate their stats based on the base stats, and not calculate them based on the modded stats.

Why should mods synergize with their own bonuses?

This is true but the flat bonuses could have been added in before % bonuses were calculated. That wouldn't be odd at all.
OnEMesSduPKiD
8 years ago
"Kyno;c-1165377" wrote:
"Waez;c-1165375" wrote:
Because Mods and base stats are something different entirely.

It makes sense for mods to calculate their stats based on the base stats, and not calculate them based on the modded stats.

Why should mods synergize with their own bonuses?

This is true but the flat bonuses could have been added in before % bonuses were calculated. That wouldn't be odd at all.
This is what I meant. Sorry if it was confusing.

Why is the percentage bonus added before the flat bonus, rather than the opposite? Flat bonus, then percentage bonus, yields higher end results.
BarneyStin_sius
8 years ago
"OnEMesSduPKiD;c-1165390" wrote:
"Kyno;c-1165377" wrote:
"Waez;c-1165375" wrote:
Because Mods and base stats are something different entirely.

It makes sense for mods to calculate their stats based on the base stats, and not calculate them based on the modded stats.

Why should mods synergize with their own bonuses?

This is true but the flat bonuses could have been added in before % bonuses were calculated. That wouldn't be odd at all.
This is what I meant. Sorry if it was confusing.

Why is the percentage bonus added before the flat bonus, rather than the opposite? Flat bonus, then percentage bonus, yields higher end results.

Because you're thinking about it wrong. It's not applying the percentage boost then the other, it's adding them both to the base stat.

Be glad very glad. If it was the other instead of 90% of mods being useless it would be 99.9% of mods being trash, because nothing any set except speed would matter.
OnEMesSduPKiD
8 years ago
"DedrickRogue;c-1165470" wrote:
"OnEMesSduPKiD;c-1165390" wrote:
"Kyno;c-1165377" wrote:
"Waez;c-1165375" wrote:
Because Mods and base stats are something different entirely.

It makes sense for mods to calculate their stats based on the base stats, and not calculate them based on the modded stats.

Why should mods synergize with their own bonuses?

This is true but the flat bonuses could have been added in before % bonuses were calculated. That wouldn't be odd at all.
This is what I meant. Sorry if it was confusing.

Why is the percentage bonus added before the flat bonus, rather than the opposite? Flat bonus, then percentage bonus, yields higher end results.

Because you're thinking about it wrong. It's not applying the percentage boost then the other, it's adding them both to the base stat.

Be glad very glad. If it was the other instead of 90% of mods being useless it would be 99.9% of mods being trash, because nothing any set except speed would matter.
Well there are no 23.5% speed primaries like there are protection, so speed wouldn't benefit much if it was the other way around. Protection suffers the most, and I guess offense and health are hurt a good bit too.
449710430e37db5
8 years ago
He meant speed set mods farmed by resistance team. If game worked like you said, you'd add the +100 or so from speed secondaries to stats first then multiply by 10%, which gives easily 20 extra speed.
crzydroid
Retired Hero
8 years ago
"OnEMesSduPKiD;c-1165498" wrote:
"DedrickRogue;c-1165470" wrote:
"OnEMesSduPKiD;c-1165390" wrote:
"Kyno;c-1165377" wrote:
"Waez;c-1165375" wrote:
Because Mods and base stats are something different entirely.

It makes sense for mods to calculate their stats based on the base stats, and not calculate them based on the modded stats.

Why should mods synergize with their own bonuses?

This is true but the flat bonuses could have been added in before % bonuses were calculated. That wouldn't be odd at all.
This is what I meant. Sorry if it was confusing.

Why is the percentage bonus added before the flat bonus, rather than the opposite? Flat bonus, then percentage bonus, yields higher end results.

Because you're thinking about it wrong. It's not applying the percentage boost then the other, it's adding them both to the base stat.

Be glad very glad. If it was the other instead of 90% of mods being useless it would be 99.9% of mods being trash, because nothing any set except speed would matter.
Well there are no 23.5% speed primaries like there are protection, so speed wouldn't benefit much if it was the other way around. Protection suffers the most, and I guess offense and health are hurt a good bit too.

Protection may "suffer" the most for this, but it's also the one that gives you the biggest gains. It's really easy to mod a super tank like Baze or Shore with ridiculous amounts of protection.

I also imagine it would make things difficult for new players. A g6 toon with 300 flat protection would be able to increase that to 600. That could give a huge advantage to a level 50 player over a level 49 player, without putting the effort to get to purple gear.
OnEMesSduPKiD
8 years ago
"Huatimus;c-1165509" wrote:
He meant speed set mods farmed by resistance team. If game worked like you said, you'd add the +100 or so from speed secondaries to stats first then multiply by 10%, which gives easily 20 extra speed.

It's only an extra 10 speed.

Not too big of a difference, but I understand your concern.
Dretzle
8 years ago
I would think it's just a way to prevent them from getting out of hand.