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Quigonlives's avatar
7 years ago

Nightsisters vs. Bastila lead

Does anyone know if Mother Talzin’s Potency boost from her lead is good enough to reliably land plagues on a Bastila team with her tenacity up?
  • Looks like Talzin lead only gives 50%, so Bastila would still give +100%.

    GMY has a base 39% tenacity, assuming it wasn't modded beyond that, he'd have 139% effective after Talzin lead. With Talzin's base potency, she'd have about a 16% chance of landing Plague on any character. This chance would increase by the amount of potency added from mods less the tenacity added by opponent's mods.

    But wait, there's more! Master's Training from Hermit Yoda gives Jedi an additional 50% tenacity. Also, if GMY uses Battle Meditation and gives the actual Tenacity Up buff, nothing will get through (adds 99,990% tenacity).
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    "crzydroid;c-1605353" wrote:
    Looks like Talzin lead only gives 50%, so Bastila would still give +100%.

    GMY has a base 39% tenacity, assuming it wasn't modded beyond that, he'd have 139% effective after Talzin lead. With Talzin's base potency, she'd have about a 16% chance of landing Plague on any character. This chance would increase by the amount of potency added from mods less the tenacity added by opponent's mods.

    But wait, there's more! Master's Training from Hermit Yoda gives Jedi an additional 50% tenacity. Also, if GMY uses Battle Meditation and gives the actual Tenacity Up buff, nothing will get through (adds 99,990% tenacity).


    Soo... you're saying there's a chance. Lol Couldnt help it.
  • You won't reliably land plague, the tenacity boost is too high. However, zombie basic applies tenacity down, but more importantly, Talzin lead grants all NS 5% TM when an enemy resists a detrimental effect. So you can get a lot of TM by getting your plague resisted.

    Best way to get Plague going is to apply tenacity down via zombie and plague that target, allow them to take a turn and they will be forced to apply plague to another target which can't be resisted. Ideally that's GMY as he takes a ton of turns, just need to make sure you don't let Hoda heal him up too fast.
  • "Vertigo;c-1605533" wrote:
    You won't reliably land plague, the tenacity boost is too high. However, zombie basic applies tenacity down, but more importantly, Talzin lead grants all NS 5% TM when an enemy resists a detrimental effect. So you can get a lot of TM by getting your plague resisted.

    Best way to get Plague going is to apply tenacity down via zombie and plague that target, allow them to take a turn and they will be forced to apply plague to another target which can't be resisted. Ideally that's GMY as he takes a ton of turns, just need to make sure you don't let Hoda heal him up too fast.


    Um that does not appear to work on a bastila team because technically, using asajj’s aoe strike is applying defense characters to all characters. So if you aoe strike under talzin lead, it’s a special ability being used so it’s supposed to add plague. 5x defense down +1 plague at 5% TM gain makes it 30% (or does it?) I’ve never seen any Tm gains after the resists. Even if it’s just a flat 5% for her turn, still not as noticeable as hodas basic. Hodas basic 5% definitely works better than NS getting resisted 5% considering they’re pretty much going to be getting resisted until the protection up fades(NOT SAYING they won’t ever land a debuff). Either way it’s still trash because there is no RNG to it and it’s the same rotation and they always kill Daka first either by yoda or gk’s call to assist in the first 15 seconds then asajj.
  • Ns does work against bastilla. Even 30k lower power. Mt zeta lead. Survive until tenacity up wears off, or land plague even once, and its all over. I usually put it on auti once 1 plague lands becuase it goes right to the end of the 5 minute timer. I have yet to fail with NS against bastilla in tw.
  • "Vomit4Sale;c-1619414" wrote:
    Ns does work against bastilla. Even 30k lower power. Mt zeta lead. Survive until tenacity up wears off, or land plague even once, and its all over. I usually put it on auti once 1 plague lands becuase it goes right to the end of the 5 minute timer. I have yet to fail with NS against bastilla in tw.

    Is this against a team that also has Zetas on Ezra, GMY and Old Ben?
  • Nightsisters are an easy auto win vs Bastila...

    Every time...

    Sure you have to have a strong NS squad and solid mods but it’s a gimmie win... just click auto and wait a couple of mins and you always win :)

    I’ve been using them in arena to hop and skip up ranks (since being stuck at work always interferes with my payout)
    Its nice to be able to just find a Bastila team... click auto... and know you’re moving up without even having to even pay attention
  • Use Av to wipe buffs, beat down tank and go from there. Once buffs are off plague will stick at times. The NA nerf hurts a lot though she was great against these Jedi teams, now she is terrible.