nihilus lead with papa palp

"WhoVille_Sheriff;c-1484126" wrote:
I think the 5% of 0 protection = 0. :-)

Which is true if the protection doesn't get converted into health.

"Chucko_marek;c-1484113" wrote:
I was thinking that the +50% is factored in. Not that 5% until the end of the turn matters, was just curious.

The 5% does not work. The 50% from the unique DOES work. If you are wanting arena, Palp is better than Nihilus lead every time (look at my arena history if you want proof)

"Dryff;c-1484167" wrote:

"Chucko_marek;c-1484113" wrote:
I was thinking that the +50% is factored in. Not that 5% until the end of the turn matters, was just curious.

The 5% does not work. The 50% from the unique DOES work. If you are wanting arena, Palp is better than Nihilus lead every time (look at my arena history if you want proof)

@Dryff have you tried DN Sion Wampa GK Talzin? Just curious.

"Olddumper;c-1484255" wrote:

"Dryff;c-1484167" wrote:

"Chucko_marek;c-1484113" wrote:
I was thinking that the +50% is factored in. Not that 5% until the end of the turn matters, was just curious.

The 5% does not work. The 50% from the unique DOES work. If you are wanting arena, Palp is better than Nihilus lead every time (look at my arena history if you want proof)

@Dryff have you tried DN Sion Wampa GK Talzin? Just curious.

Unfortunately I don't have Wampa, and may Sion/Talzin are undergeared :( I've seen Wampa and Talzin in Rex teams before, but not in Nihilus lead :D

"Dryff;c-1484167" wrote:

"Chucko_marek;c-1484113" wrote:
I was thinking that the +50% is factored in. Not that 5% until the end of the turn matters, was just curious.

The 5% does not work. The 50% from the unique DOES work. If you are wanting arena, Palp is better than Nihilus lead every time (look at my arena history if you want proof)

Thanks for the tip, I wasn't looking for arena per se, more interested in the mechanics in general.

I don't think EP and Nihilus really work together.
Under Nihilus, EP won't heal himself with his laugh special, and because your max health pool will be much larger than your enemies, you'll hurt your team more than you'll help them, especially on defense.
Under EP lead, Nihilus doesn't recover health since he doesn't inflict debuffs (his unique doesn't count, despite many complaints). So while he has a great kit, he won't benefit much from EP.
They might work together under Traya, or Maul, or some other lead, but each other? No.

"Goodgil;c-1485522" wrote:
I don't think EP and Nihilus really work together.
Under Nihilus, EP won't heal himself with his laugh special, and because your max health pool will be much larger than your enemies, you'll hurt your team more than you'll help them, especially on defense.
Under EP lead, Nihilus doesn't recover health since he doesn't inflict debuffs (his unique doesn't count, despite many complaints). So while he has a great kit, he won't benefit much from EP.
They might work together under Traya, or Maul, or some other lead, but each other? No.

All good points, but outside the scope of the question.

"Chucko_marek;c-1485541" wrote:

"Goodgil;c-1485522" wrote:
I don't think EP and Nihilus really work together.
Under Nihilus, EP won't heal himself with his laugh special, and because your max health pool will be much larger than your enemies, you'll hurt your team more than you'll help them, especially on defense.
Under EP lead, Nihilus doesn't recover health since he doesn't inflict debuffs (his unique doesn't count, despite many complaints). So while he has a great kit, he won't benefit much from EP.
They might work together under Traya, or Maul, or some other lead, but each other? No.

All good points, but outside the scope of the question.

Outside of your original question, but that was answered in previous posts. The conversation goes on. I was just throwing in my take.

"Goodgil;c-1486198" wrote:

"Chucko_marek;c-1485541" wrote:

"Goodgil;c-1485522" wrote:
I don't think EP and Nihilus really work together.
Under Nihilus, EP won't heal himself with his laugh special, and because your max health pool will be much larger than your enemies, you'll hurt your team more than you'll help them, especially on defense.
Under EP lead, Nihilus doesn't recover health since he doesn't inflict debuffs (his unique doesn't count, despite many complaints). So while he has a great kit, he won't benefit much from EP.
They might work together under Traya, or Maul, or some other lead, but each other? No.

All good points, but outside the scope of the question.

Outside of your original question, but that was answered in previous posts. The conversation goes on. I was just throwing in my take.

I would have Palp for empire for sure, with vader. Nihilus, IMHO, would go well with sion, assassin, trooper and traya. The classic KOTOR 2 formation.

"Goodgil;c-1485522" wrote:
I don't think EP and Nihilus really work together.
Under Nihilus, EP won't heal himself with his laugh special, and because your max health pool will be much larger than your enemies, you'll hurt your team more than you'll help them, especially on defense.
Under EP lead, Nihilus doesn't recover health since he doesn't inflict debuffs (his unique doesn't count, despite many complaints). So while he has a great kit, he won't benefit much from EP.
They might work together under Traya, or Maul, or some other lead, but each other? No.

Eh, Nihilus still works great under Palp simply because the Health down and DoTs he applies feed extra turn meter. But yeah, he doesn't get the health recovery which is a shame...

In terms of the other way around, I seem to remember that during the Palp rework they specifically cited Nihilus lead as benefiting from the Health Steal Up provided from the laugh, which is...um...laughable. :D