No Dark Side GL can efficiently counter a JMK/CAT/GK/GAS squad.

That’s the problem with LV, it requires perfect mod setup and high relics to get a win, as opposed to jmk that you could have pretty much any relic level on your toons with okay mods and win.
Remember the cost of LV was MUCH higher than jmk.

This is why $tarkiller, Cash Spendar, Kyle Casharn, Mara Jad€ & the other Marqu££ are coming.

To eradicate this issue entirely (I’d assume but have no faith for)

"Mephisto_style;c-2317548" wrote:

"Gale_Toral;c-2317508" wrote:

"Tom232;c-2317472" wrote:
I have done some more testing. The LV squad do counter JMK, but very poorly. The banners in GAC will be terrible. LV will be going on defence in GAC.

In regards to arena, there are still some high relic JMK squads that are problematic. A lot of the battles in arena I have done, LV is only scraping through by the skin of his teeth.

JMK is the better GL. LV requirements with 4 relic 8’s, and 4 relic 7’s is considerably more then JMK’s.
The amount of money needed to unlock LV, is considerably more in return for an inferior GL.

Have you even watched the video I posted? Yes the LV team needs good modding to tackle JMK, but any competent JMK team is already excellent modded, and SHOULD require excellent mods to handle it. It is perfectly possible to achieve maximum banners as shown in my video.

I have ended every battle with my LV team with everyone alive and at full or near-full health for the past 2 weeks now because I put in the work and understanding to mod the team correctly.

What on Earth would lead you to think that people would put their best mods on LV :smile:

why would people put their best mods on their arena team? hmm

"Gifafi;c-2317627" wrote:

"Mephisto_style;c-2317548" wrote:

"Gale_Toral;c-2317508" wrote:

"Tom232;c-2317472" wrote:
I have done some more testing. The LV squad do counter JMK, but very poorly. The banners in GAC will be terrible. LV will be going on defence in GAC.

In regards to arena, there are still some high relic JMK squads that are problematic. A lot of the battles in arena I have done, LV is only scraping through by the skin of his teeth.

JMK is the better GL. LV requirements with 4 relic 8’s, and 4 relic 7’s is considerably more then JMK’s.
The amount of money needed to unlock LV, is considerably more in return for an inferior GL.

Have you even watched the video I posted? Yes the LV team needs good modding to tackle JMK, but any competent JMK team is already excellent modded, and SHOULD require excellent mods to handle it. It is perfectly possible to achieve maximum banners as shown in my video.

I have ended every battle with my LV team with everyone alive and at full or near-full health for the past 2 weeks now because I put in the work and understanding to mod the team correctly.

What on Earth would lead you to think that people would put their best mods on LV :smile:

why would people put their best mods on their arena team? hmm

They do, and that’s why JMK has their best mods ;).

I mean that is why only 25% of LV owners use him as their arena squad in the top 100 ofc.

Maul doesn't need as much speed since he gets speed up at the beginning of every encounter thanks to LV unique. But he should still reach the 280-ish threshold so the speed up and LV Lead speed bonus makes him outrun CAT.

I recommend to not blast through all 5 stacks of Anguish until you've used Seething Rage at full stacks at least twice to control enemy CD. Seething Rage - Seething Rage - His other Special which's name I always forget to stay at 5 stacks so he keeps ignoring taunts and increases enemy CD by 2 that can't be resisted.

LV Teams don't need a lot of speed if you use your Maul to keep their cooldowns in check all the time. Yes, it means LV Ult charges a bit slower, but the pay-out is arguably much better by keeping enemy cooldowns up all the damn time.

Maul is way too complex for the AI to handle. Sometimes you want to use all 5 Anguish to kill something. Sometimes you want to use 2 to increase CDs and have 5 stacks for next turn. Sometimes you want to use Anguish strategically to let Maul get a kill with his AoE. Plus you have to decide who’s cooldowns are increased. Any of these have potential to flop big time.

JMK + CAT the only choice is who is erased from the enemy team. And while there’s certainly some optimal hits, there’s not really any wrong choice for the AI to make.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDs7vMBOgUE

Haven't read through the thread, just came in here to say that I climb daily and make #1 at payout with Lord Vader, Maul, RG and almost any 2 of (Darth Vader, Piett, Moff Gideon, Stormtrooper, Shoretrooper) and I regularly beat JMK/CAT/GAS teams with all 5 of my toons alive. I do have to play it, can't hit auto like I can against JML teams.

I like to hit CAT twice in a row with Mauls +2 to cooldowns on his first two turns, then the rest of his stacks go to GK on his second turn so you can trigger JMK save before he goes into Ultimate. I also like to save Lord Vader second special for when he has his ultimate or after GK uses his first special.