People judged the empire pass too quickly.

"danflorian1984;c-1148919" wrote:

"leef;c-1148766" wrote:

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"Olddumper;c-1147291" wrote:

"Polarice;c-1147286" wrote:
I think you will find it subjective to your shard/leaderboard. Im on the September 2015 shard and those that are running thrawn can punch up into top 10 just like most teams on offense. On defense those same teams still get dropped anywhere down into the 50s.

People need to stop acting like most of the shard are different now. Most shards everybody at the top has 100 plus toons unlocked and we all started mods at he same time. For all I care they could merge all the shards.

The only difference in my shard after the pass is that most of the Maul users switched to cleanse. There is only 1 empire team in top 50, soon(ish) to be 2 once I finish developing mine.
In my shard the pass is irrelevant, and judging by the meta report my shard is not the exception.

Also it doesn't matter how good of a product something is if almost nobody uses it!

can't really fault the product for not being used if it is actually good.

But you can blame the producer.

Why? it still a good product. I blame the consumer ;)

Simple, is their fault that they didn't make their product,no matter how good , attractive enough.
Like you acknowleged most people have no real incentive to change their teams so most of their work in this year was in vain.
Simple enough, while I will change my team to return to empire all my shardmates I am in contact plan to continue using the same team, so I will have to fight the same team as before, and that makes this pass in my eyes a failure. So from my point of view it was judged correctly.

how is it in vain if you're changing back to empire? That just doesn't make sence to me. The pass just adds another option to use in arena, wich is a win in my book. That players won't use empire is their own choice, it surely is beter than being "forced" to use a certain faction you don't like because you want to be competative isnt it?

So if a producer develops a more expensive and harder to get alternative to an existing product that is either slightly worse or slightly better, depending on who you ask, than that product, an alternative that is unavailable to many people and ignoted by most people that can actually get it then you would call that a succes?

how is an empire team harder to farm than chaze though? The only reason i didn't/don't use chaze is because baze was/is a pita to farm. Pretty much the same reason why people who have chaze won't get an empire team now. Obviously chaze was on top of everything for a while where empire isn't (yet or won't be). But isn't that a good thing? Otherwise empire would be the subject of nerf threads for months (that could still happen once people figure out the best empire hybrid team). Wich you know i would have been fine with aswell, but it seems counter productive if your goal is to have a ballanced and diverse arena.
If anything, i should be the one who wants empire to be OP. I don't care about ballance and i've got an empire team.