People judged the empire pass too quickly.

@Olddumper u clearly have an easy shard. It doesn't matter when u started if most people quit. I haven't seen a wedge lead in the top 10 in over a year. I love Empire and run Empire but you are delusional in your posts here. Shards are crazy different and the fact that you don't think so makes your posts less credible.

"Vertigo;c-1147290" wrote:

"ItsJarJarBinkz;c-1147274" wrote:
I have a couple Zader teams that do well. I'll post them in a sec
Too lazy to post all here's the gallery all in the top 20
https://imgur.com/a/Hjs5W

@ItsJarJarBinkz Do you have any teams w/o GK? Just wondering who would fit well there as I don't have GK yet but kinda wanna try a Zader setup after I gear Thrawn. Also Krennic is out of the question as well lol. I have Chaze, but the whole point of going to Zader is that I wouldn't be using Chaze but if I have to I could run Zader, Chaze, Thrawn, DT or Nihilus or someone else.

One and instead of GK it's Palpatine at rant 28.

"Polarice;c-1147286" wrote:
I think you will find it subjective to your shard/leaderboard. Im on the September 2015 shard and those that are running thrawn can punch up into top 10 just like most teams on offense. On defense those same teams still get dropped anywhere down into the 50s.

"Skykraker;c-1147350" wrote:
@Olddumper u clearly have an easy shard. It doesn't matter when u started if most people quit. I haven't seen a wedge lead in the top 10 in over a year. I love Empire and run Empire but you are delusional in your posts here. Shards are crazy different and the fact that you don't think so makes your posts less credible.

@Skykraker go ahead and try to justify the quote above. Does running Thrawn in your shard mean you will drop to 50 over night too? People are delusional when they see a comp holding top 10 on a mature shard and then say it would drop to 50th on their own shard though. It's a myth empire doesn't hold on D. It's a myth that Thrawn lead is unusable because of AI.

People who find empire or Thrawn don't hold well on D probably just have comparably poor mods to the rest of their shard and their Rex lead has helped them hide that fact. It is indefensible to say a number 1 team on many shards (Thrawn gk DT DN and ShT) would fall to 50 overnight.

Yes all shards are different. Some are tougher than others. But at the end of the day the teams collecting 500 crystals are going to be able to build squads similar to the squads collecting 500 crystals a day on a different shard. A lot of people are under the impression that because their whole shard is made of triple cleanse it makes it tough. News flash, the more triple cleanse you see on your shard the easier it probably is. Most of the top guilds are running comps focused around the reworked empire or the new Ahsoka. If you roll down TI rosters you will see plenty of wedge lead. Wedge lead can't be that bad if people who can pick from a list of all the toons are deciding to use him.

@Skykraker I'm sorry but your post is an embarrassment. Ofc every shard is different what rock have you been hiding under. You obviously pay no attention to overall arena trends and I can't comment on the strength of your shard but I can surmise it must be fairly boring and backward if you haven't seen anyone using a Wedge lead in 12 months.

@Olddumper This is interesting, those Thrawn teams had already been flagged up by a guildmate and it definitely has massive potential. What @Skykraker fails to realise is that most developed shards have their own chats where people discuss the finer points of the team comps and how they fare on defence. My guildmate gets to talk to people that have faced his team who tell him it is infinitely harder than his triple cleanse or Rebel/Fatz comps etc etc.

Only caveat is that it's new. Often new comps gain traction in the short term because they may require minor adjustments to tactics or mods to deal with. My resources have taken a real bashing recently but I for one will be at least putting a little more effort into Empire.

Yo.. I tried the comp on old dumpers pic
Thrawn L DT nih shore GK

It's insane. Extremely good if you can get speed on everyone. They get a bunch of tm quickly and it's beautiful to watch on full auto, even with all the pointless cleanses. Thanks man!

On my arena there are currently 4 thrawn teams. The whale that adopted thrawn has never fallen out of top 10 yet (while he certainly does on triple cleanse).

I consider empire pass the healthy way to update. Though I'm not sure future releases/passes will follow suit. So it's downhill for empire from here forth.

As f2p I'm on the edge of doing empire for the fun of it, or just stick with triple cleanse and keep hoarding.

May not be the best topic to ask for this; what's your opinion on zetaing ebb&flow (thrawn unique)?

"Skykraker;c-1147350" wrote:
@Olddumper u clearly have an easy shard. It doesn't matter when u started if most people quit. I haven't seen a wedge lead in the top 10 in over a year. I love Empire and run Empire but you are delusional in your posts here. Shards are crazy different and the fact that you don't think so makes your posts less credible.

Wedge leads made a strong comeback with r2. Especially with ATF and good mods, these teams hold top 10 easily on my shard.

blind hatred for chaze clouds judgement.
that said, i haven't got my empire team to work better on offence and defence than my previous squad (that didnt have chaze though).

"Ardpa_Res0u;c-1147397" wrote:
@Skykraker I'm sorry but your post is an embarrassment. Ofc every shard is different what rock have you been hiding under. You obviously pay no attention to overall arena trends and I can't comment on the strength of your shard but I can surmise it must be fairly boring and backward if you haven't seen anyone using a Wedge lead in 12 months.

@Olddumper This is interesting, those Thrawn teams had already been flagged up by a guildmate and it definitely has massive potential. What @Skykraker fails to realise is that most developed shards have their own chats where people discuss the finer points of the team comps and how they fare on defence. My guildmate gets to talk to people that have faced his team who tell him it is infinitely harder than his triple cleanse or Rebel/Fatz comps etc etc.

Only caveat is that it's new. Often new comps gain traction in the short term because they may require minor adjustments to tactics or mods to deal with. My resources have taken a real bashing recently but I for one will be at least putting a little more effort into Empire.

I think skykraker know about the level of testing and collusion that goes on. What I don't think he knows about are the poor squads and delusion. So many squads have become what I call "refresh hero's" they think they're squad is amazing because they can take 1st climbing from the 30's each day, just because they have a heal heavy team the AI doesn't know what to do with. Then when the switch to a squad like empire they go "my shard is too to tough to hold on D". We need to run op Chaze on my shard or your toast. The truth is they need to run Chaze because their mods are poor and they need healing counter attackers. It has nothing to do with the fact their shard was started January 2016.

@Tatebomb

Could I ask what speeds you're running at? I can get +105 or so max but after that I'm limited to about +90 for others. Do you think this would be enough? Also what turn order do you run?