Possible counters to Revan

"XKurareX;c-1673130" wrote:

"Olddumper;c-1673115" wrote:

"XKurareX;c-1673008" wrote:

"Olddumper;c-1673003" wrote:
Zinn
Poe
RT
BB-8
IPD

Doesnt work apparently as Zfinn is similar to Vader under Zimp. No extra TM till every character took its natural first turn (or more or less dazed like characters from start)

But the BB-8 tm will give your team a head start. It’s built into the unique.

Don’t doubt Zinn ever winning on offense. There hasn’t been a meta he couldn’t beat yet.

No headstart with Revan - all characters are kind of dazed and will not receive any tm except their natural speed for the first round.

That’s only from leadership TM boosts.

"Gorem;c-1672534" wrote:
Han won't be able to stun him, and even a quick kill only makes him go anyway allowing the other side to take the advantage.
First turn debuffs won't work, so fast quick vaders are countered completely.

He counters just so much, that really will have to wait and see what people come up with after his release.

I think ep teams with vader may do ok. Obviously requires testing but here's the theory.

If you stack potency on vader, he can land debuff against bastilla lead even with the super high tennacity. With revan lead, they get tenacity up for one turn but will it be as high as bastilla lead tennacity or higher?

If it is equal or lower, vader gains enough speed from enemy jedi to almost always go first. My vader can out run most bastilla lead teams unless they have a super fast gmy. After all he gains 8 speed for each sith or empire ally and for each rebek or jedi enemy. Assuming they run ezra and all jedi, that is +102 speed or +110 if they run old ben instead of gk. That significantly dwarfs the +30 you get from revan.

So if vader goes first and can land debuffs, you still get the tm train going. Get sion to mass dispel taunts, then fracture revan. Mass stun with palp that actually sticks to everyone but revan (not used to that after facing so many traya teams). I think that lineup stands a chance.

"DarkHelmet1138;c-1673157" wrote:

"Gorem;c-1672534" wrote:
Han won't be able to stun him, and even a quick kill only makes him go anyway allowing the other side to take the advantage.
First turn debuffs won't work, so fast quick vaders are countered completely.

He counters just so much, that really will have to wait and see what people come up with after his release.

I think ep teams with vader may do ok. Obviously requires testing but here's the theory.

If you stack potency on vader, he can land debuff against bastilla lead even with the super high tennacity. With revan lead, they get tenacity up for one turn but will it be as high as bastilla lead tennacity or higher?

If it is equal or lower, vader gains enough speed from enemy jedi to almost always go first. My vader can out run most bastilla lead teams unless they have a super fast gmy. After all he gains 8 speed for each sith or empire ally and for each rebek or jedi enemy. Assuming they run ezra and all jedi, that is +102 speed or +110 if they run old ben instead of gk. That significantly dwarfs the +30 you get from revan.

So if vader goes first and can land debuffs, you still get the tm train going. Get sion to mass dispel taunts, then fracture revan. Mass stun with palp that actually sticks to everyone but revan (not used to that after facing so many traya teams). I think that lineup stands a chance.

When the tenacity up buff is active you cannot land debuffs at all. the only exception is things that cannot be resisted such as vaders ability block on his basic against jedi

"Freydwen;c-1673164" wrote:

"Olddumper;c-1673115" wrote:

"XKurareX;c-1673008" wrote:

"Olddumper;c-1673003" wrote:
Zinn
Poe
RT
BB-8
IPD

Doesnt work apparently as Zfinn is similar to Vader under Zimp. No extra TM till every character took its natural first turn (or more or less dazed like characters from start)

But the BB-8 tm will give your team a head start. It’s built into the unique.

Don’t doubt Zinn ever winning on offense. There hasn’t been a meta he couldn’t beat yet.

I would think the team starting with Tenacity Up would make it hard to get the expose train going. I assume most people will run him with GMY so I don’t see it getting any easier as the match goes on.

Thats what IPD is there for to clear all the tenacity up. You probably want your IPD to be 1 spped slower than yoda.

Try this one on for size.
Jango lead Bossk Boba Chewie and Han. Boba and Jango dont care about the revive nonsense. Chewie and Han can spam tenacity down to get to Jango's contract. It's basically the content we just unlocked that beats this .

Got a revan problem?

CWC VC C Han and L3 at your service

Darth Revan will be the counter to Jedi Revan Meta.

Vader lead SA Trio

"DarthMordecai;c-1673333" wrote:
What do you guys think of thrawn, nihilus, sion, maul, and rex lead? I dont have traya. Maul, if he can survive a little bit, deals double dmg to jedi. I can one shot every jedi except the obi wans against bastila. His basic does like 35-40k dmg. And his aoe does like 28k dmg each

Maul is way too squishy and slow. He wouldn't survive long enough to provide any damage.

kinda disheartening to watch mobilegamer auto traya teams tho lol :p he said it could be beat but, it wasnt easy at all, more like a loosing game u could win with some rng. jtr /w thrawn and gk could win it also but, like he pointed out, far from every time. sucks i just got jtr, i expected traya but not that soon. feels it take far more time and effort to get jtr, hardest team to get still. and from ns autoing you, we get another team that can auto jtr probably. i totally expected it to be this way tho, said it, probably before revan was announced, kinda obv. i guess all we can do is jump on the revan wagon, next time for those who didnt try to get him this time. id probably would have farmed for revan also but not really an option as i had just about finished vet's