Relic Bobba sidious and savage is hammering me

"Damodamo;c-2120573" wrote:
@Saada dont forget his zeta gives him max health off his potency, and he gets 50% extra potency with the zeta, coupled with his relic health boost and health steal, it’s far from a squishy toon. Mod for potency and every time you knock off boba, he gains health back, savage with a zeta also cleanses him which makes it even more annoying..

Edit.. rough maths gives the one you linked to somewhere around 90k health, so far from squishy. @Frodobongins i feel your pain.. that’s a lose/lose team, it’s going to make you burn a decent team just to get past it

So 90k and 43 protection with 46% armour. My boba is 60k and 60k and you have kill him twice with 50+% armour and I would classify my boba as squishy. My greedo has 70k and 60k with over 50% armour and guess what...squishy. you guys realise that were talking about g13s here? So yes at any level sidious is still squishy....

"Saada;c-2121130" wrote:

"Damodamo;c-2120573" wrote:
@Saada dont forget his zeta gives him max health off his potency, and he gets 50% extra potency with the zeta, coupled with his relic health boost and health steal, it’s far from a squishy toon. Mod for potency and every time you knock off boba, he gains health back, savage with a zeta also cleanses him which makes it even more annoying..

Edit.. rough maths gives the one you linked to somewhere around 90k health, so far from squishy. @Frodobongins i feel your pain.. that’s a lose/lose team, it’s going to make you burn a decent team just to get past it

So 90k and 43 protection with 46% armour. My boba is 60k and 60k and you have kill him twice with 50+% armour and I would classify my boba as squishy. My greedo has 70k and 60k with over 50% armour and guess what...squishy. you guys realise that were talking about g13s here? So yes at any level sidious is still squishy....

Top health sidious on swgoh.gg is around 80k with about 150% potency .
So with +50% from unique it's 200% so it's 240k health very squishy

"Treeburner;c-2121203" wrote:

Top health sidious on swgoh.gg is around 80k with about 150% potency .
So with +50% from unique it's 200% so it's 240k health very squishy

But @Saada has a squishy sidious, so everyone’s is also squishy.

Mine is squishy, but doesn’t have the zeta and is only g11. But you know, reasons.

"Treeburner;c-2121203" wrote:

"Saada;c-2121130" wrote:

"Damodamo;c-2120573" wrote:
@Saada dont forget his zeta gives him max health off his potency, and he gets 50% extra potency with the zeta, coupled with his relic health boost and health steal, it’s far from a squishy toon. Mod for potency and every time you knock off boba, he gains health back, savage with a zeta also cleanses him which makes it even more annoying..

Edit.. rough maths gives the one you linked to somewhere around 90k health, so far from squishy. @Frodobongins i feel your pain.. that’s a lose/lose team, it’s going to make you burn a decent team just to get past it

So 90k and 43 protection with 46% armour. My boba is 60k and 60k and you have kill him twice with 50+% armour and I would classify my boba as squishy. My greedo has 70k and 60k with over 50% armour and guess what...squishy. you guys realise that were talking about g13s here? So yes at any level sidious is still squishy....

Top health sidious on swgoh.gg is around 80k with about 150% potency .
So with +50% from unique it's 200% so it's 240k health very squishy

That math can't be right but hey... you guys are like the dooku is a tank people. If you have enough g13... 50+? You'll see that he is indeed squishy and there for offence only

80 x 200%, please use your calculator and see what it comes out to. He gains, max health based on his potency, plus a bonus 50% potency from his unique.

No one is calling him a tank @Saada , not by a long way, he still takes a hit like any attacker, but he is far from squishy, he actually becomes reasonable at relic levels.

"Damodamo;c-2121226" wrote:
80 x 200%, please use your calculator and see what it comes out to. He gains, max health based on his potency, plus a bonus 50% potency from his unique.

No one is calling him a tank @Saada , not by a long way, he still takes a hit like any attacker, but he is far from squishy, he actually becomes reasonable at relic levels.

It's not 80 * 200%. It would be 80 + 80*200%= 240. But that's not I'm questioning, I'm questioning is that equation correct based off the proper understanding of how his kit works. Thought that was implied, but guess not. Cause I could right down any equation. Boba gains 50% health off his leadership based on all bh potency. All bh potency 130%, 60 + 60*1.3 etc. Sounds right but I could be missing something off the Top of my head? Get it? Just like that equation doesn't seem right.

@Saada we are talking about sidious, his kit is pretty clear and is why you should mod him for potency, he gets max health based on his potency, he gets 50% bonus for his unique to potency, so assuming his potency is at 150, a 50% bonus would take it to actually 225% potency.

80k * 225% is 180k, in bonus health.
Plus his starting health = 240k health.

I really don’t see what is hard to understand there? Unless it’s just that you can see why we are saying he isn’t squishy and don’t want to say ‘ok I didn’t realise that about him’.

He still hits like a semi noodle and isn’t worth the resources to relic, but he is there as an annoyance in gac more than anything else.

"Damodamo;c-2121388" wrote:
@Saada we are talking about sidious, his kit is pretty clear and is why you should mod him for potency, he gets max health based on his potency, he gets 50% bonus for his unique to potency, so assuming his potency is at 150, a 50% bonus would take it to actually 225% potency.

80k * 225% is 180k, in bonus health.
Plus his starting health = 240k health.

I really don’t see what is hard to understand there? Unless it’s just that you can see why we are saying he isn’t squishy and don’t want to say ‘ok I didn’t realise that about him’.

He still hits like a semi noodle and isn’t worth the resources to relic, but he is there as an annoyance in gac more than anything else.

That would be 260k.

wait, someone relic'd sideous? pics plz!

Moral of the story:
If you're fighting a "different" squad, look at their mods before assuming you can take them with trash teams. Also, don't use JTR with R2 and BB8 against significantly higher gear opponents--they have no damage output. JTR, BB8, Finn would be a much better solution. Pushback/ab block/stun boba, ignore savage, kill Sidious (all that extra health will make him easier to kill with exposes). After Sidious, keep boba locked up, apply healing immunity to Savage before taking him out. Finish with Boba.
*Note: this won't work if you are slower than them. JTR/BB8 should have close to 300 speed to be competitive against relics and their likely mods. If they have better gear and better mods than you, you probably won't win with any team you throw at them that isn't a hard counter.