return of the dark side...

"jedibaer71;d-144244" wrote:
... in the arena

when?

which team?

what do you have for "full darkside teams" in your top50?

will the sisters break the rebellwall?

or first order?

Never, only REBELS deserve attention

For empire team, nightsisters are easier than CLS rebel teams.

"Crazylazyguy;c-1349783" wrote:

"Gawejn;c-1349566" wrote:

"Crazylazyguy;c-1349563" wrote:

"Gawejn;c-1349557" wrote:

"Zombie961;c-1349540" wrote:
Empire and Nightsisters aren't bad offensively. But don't hold defense as well as the CL or GK teams. Maybe with someone like Hux or other surge of FO characters may make them arena viable, but unless it's something huge unlikely

This is not true about defense. If empire can beat on offense cls team so what it means? Means that Cls teams dont hold on defense.

Not sure why others can't use "logic" like you.

Also NS hold far better than GK led teams, they are beyond unbeatable.

What you mean "logic"? Is it sarcasm?

No lol, I am saying that you are one of the few people who uses his head around here.

Ah, so good that you also use the head. :) mostly opinions about holding on defense are about being less times challanged in arena. For example I see that FO could be easily top 1 but players play as a crowd play. So if CLS started to be more common so more switched their teams to CLS(another reason is also that he can be used everywhere, so to gear him is very good investment of resources). If they switched to cls and some players were with different squads like FO so they were targeted more out of boredom of cls fans. Next part is about reason why there are not many darkside teams. Empire for example is not so good in raids, dont hit so hard, not used in TB and very long farm (i am building my empire for almost 4 months and shore and krennic are 5 stars both) like 6 months. FO team is also long farm. More easy is to have CLS rebels with crazy hitting Han and annoying droid r2. why there are not so many bb8(very good in arena)in arena? Couse players dont have full 7* FO team. Long farm. I remember Vader was very long farm to 7* stars. If we could think about DS we easily can see that this faction is long farm. (What is easy to farm: stormtrooper, magmatrooper, sidious, phasma, first order officer, kylo). Than we have hard nodes where strong chars of DS are long farm, and need max energy also in cantina. Rebels are much easy.

"Gawejn;c-1349761" wrote:

"Zombie961;c-1349669" wrote:

"Gawejn;c-1349557" wrote:

"Zombie961;c-1349540" wrote:
Empire and Nightsisters aren't bad offensively. But don't hold defense as well as the CL or GK teams. Maybe with someone like Hux or other surge of FO characters may make them arena viable, but unless it's something huge unlikely

This is not true about defense. If empire can beat on offense cls team so what it means? Means that Cls teams dont hold on defense.

Because a CL team takes carful strategy to beat with an empire team. But a CL offensively v an empire team is just put on auto

"FierceRevan;c-1349661" wrote:
@Zombie961 nightsisters are the best defense team currently. They require most people to change their teams to beat them because most meta teams have few if any AOE attacks. This also means that almost nobody will attack a nightsisters team on their last battle attempt, further making them stronger on defense. Also with the acolyte/zombie loop it is easy to accidentally be caught in a time out draw.

Nightsister are pushovers cause they have **** damage and rely on Plague to kill anyone, as for Acolyte Han's opening, or a Thrawn fracture, or a CL buff block, or R2's stun and she's useless, and if you do miss all that and she goes into stealth you can kill the others and put it on auto to speed everything up so R2 is constantly using his AoE which will whittle her down quickly

Carefull strategy for Empire against CLS team? Dont make me laugh. For sure You have no idea about Empire. You put auto and only watch how Empire wins. Maxed Empire can finish on auto with almost full protection. And CLS can hit so strong Stormtrooper that is healing his protection. Leia is hitting Stormtrooper 4k on Critical hits. Storm will recover this just by taunting.

Storm has no healing, do you mean Shoretrooper? Even so Luke buff blocking and him, Han, and R2 are stunning with the only empire's only cleanse being a Thrawn lead screws them. As well as Luke and Han's huge damage, the empire relying on Fracture and deathtrooper, the latter can be counters by Kenobi and R2's pseudo passive cleaning. Do you have any vids of this "auto with almost full protection"?

"ProximaB1_;c-1349829" wrote:

"Zombie961;c-1349669" wrote:

"Gawejn;c-1349557" wrote:

"Zombie961;c-1349540" wrote:
Empire and Nightsisters aren't bad offensively. But don't hold defense as well as the CL or GK teams. Maybe with someone like Hux or other surge of FO characters may make them arena viable, but unless it's something huge unlikely

This is not true about defense. If empire can beat on offense cls team so what it means? Means that Cls teams dont hold on defense.

Because a CL team takes carful strategy to beat with an empire team. But a CL offensively v an empire team is just put on auto

"FierceRevan;c-1349661" wrote:
@Zombie961 nightsisters are the best defense team currently. They require most people to change their teams to beat them because most meta teams have few if any AOE attacks. This also means that almost nobody will attack a nightsisters team on their last battle attempt, further making them stronger on defense. Also with the acolyte/zombie loop it is easy to accidentally be caught in a time out draw.

Nightsister are pushovers cause they have **** damage and rely on Plague to kill anyone, as for Acolyte Han's opening, or a Thrawn fracture, or a CL buff block, or R2's stun and she's useless, and if you do miss all that and she goes into stealth you can kill the others and put it on auto to speed everything up so R2 is constantly using his AoE which will whittle her down quickly

How is r2 doing 25000 in damage with aoe. That's what my nightsister acolyte has. I don't even worry about r2

Even before his unique, crits, and mods, he's doing near 3K with it, and 15% each additional turn for three turns with burning. which totals to near 14K of her health.

"Zombie961;c-1349883" wrote:
Do you have any vids of this "auto with almost full protection"?

https://youtu.be/80pBxUZIvjE

"Zombie961;c-1349883" wrote:

"Gawejn;c-1349761" wrote:

"Zombie961;c-1349669" wrote:

"Gawejn;c-1349557" wrote:

"Zombie961;c-1349540" wrote:
Empire and Nightsisters aren't bad offensively. But don't hold defense as well as the CL or GK teams. Maybe with someone like Hux or other surge of FO characters may make them arena viable, but unless it's something huge unlikely

This is not true about defense. If empire can beat on offense cls team so what it means? Means that Cls teams dont hold on defense.

Because a CL team takes carful strategy to beat with an empire team. But a CL offensively v an empire team is just put on auto

"FierceRevan;c-1349661" wrote:
@Zombie961 nightsisters are the best defense team currently. They require most people to change their teams to beat them because most meta teams have few if any AOE attacks. This also means that almost nobody will attack a nightsisters team on their last battle attempt, further making them stronger on defense. Also with the acolyte/zombie loop it is easy to accidentally be caught in a time out draw.

Nightsister are pushovers cause they have **** damage and rely on Plague to kill anyone, as for Acolyte Han's opening, or a Thrawn fracture, or a CL buff block, or R2's stun and she's useless, and if you do miss all that and she goes into stealth you can kill the others and put it on auto to speed everything up so R2 is constantly using his AoE which will whittle her down quickly

Carefull strategy for Empire against CLS team? Dont make me laugh. For sure You have no idea about Empire. You put auto and only watch how Empire wins. Maxed Empire can finish on auto with almost full protection. And CLS can hit so strong Stormtrooper that is healing his protection. Leia is hitting Stormtrooper 4k on Critical hits. Storm will recover this just by taunting.

Storm has no healing, do you mean Shoretrooper? Even so Luke buff blocking and him, Han, and R2 are stunning with the only empire's only cleanse being a Thrawn lead screws them. As well as Luke and Han's huge damage, the empire relying on Fracture and deathtrooper, the latter can be counters by Kenobi and R2's pseudo passive cleaning. Do you have any vids of this "auto with almost full protection"?

"ProximaB1_;c-1349829" wrote:

"Zombie961;c-1349669" wrote:

"Gawejn;c-1349557" wrote:

"Zombie961;c-1349540" wrote:
Empire and Nightsisters aren't bad offensively. But don't hold defense as well as the CL or GK teams. Maybe with someone like Hux or other surge of FO characters may make them arena viable, but unless it's something huge unlikely

This is not true about defense. If empire can beat on offense cls team so what it means? Means that Cls teams dont hold on defense.

Because a CL team takes carful strategy to beat with an empire team. But a CL offensively v an empire team is just put on auto

"FierceRevan;c-1349661" wrote:
@Zombie961 nightsisters are the best defense team currently. They require most people to change their teams to beat them because most meta teams have few if any AOE attacks. This also means that almost nobody will attack a nightsisters team on their last battle attempt, further making them stronger on defense. Also with the acolyte/zombie loop it is easy to accidentally be caught in a time out draw.

Nightsister are pushovers cause they have **** damage and rely on Plague to kill anyone, as for Acolyte Han's opening, or a Thrawn fracture, or a CL buff block, or R2's stun and she's useless, and if you do miss all that and she goes into stealth you can kill the others and put it on auto to speed everything up so R2 is constantly using his AoE which will whittle her down quickly

How is r2 doing 25000 in damage with aoe. That's what my nightsister acolyte has. I don't even worry about r2

Even before his unique, crits, and mods, he's doing near 3K with it, and 15% each additional turn for three turns with burning. which totals to near 14K of her health.

Vids you can find on yt. With auto and without auto. Storm recovers protection from zeta lead Thrawn. All team recovers protection. Deathtrooper and Krennic recover health based on crits, all empire recovers health from shoretrooper. Plenty of recovery of protection and health. Storm during fight can recover 40% of protection. One recovery from Thrawn gives another 40%. I can easilly beat maxed g12 full zetas CLS Han R2 team with only g12 Thrawn and rest g11, shore5*,krennic5* and dt 6*. Zeta only on DT. Team power 75 k. Not on auto, for this team must be maxed. But I cant beat the same Empire maxed team with my setup. So this Idea that CLS hold well on defense is not true. There are vids with FO teams beating CLS meta.
Empire is directly for CLS rebels team. Team like cls r2 han chirut baze is piece of cake. Kenobi is not hard even with Barris. Just anoying.

"pinkfloyd;c-1349916" wrote:

"Zombie961;c-1349883" wrote:
Do you have any vids of this "auto with almost full protection"?

https://youtu.be/80pBxUZIvjE

Great Vid:) it is so good to watch this team on auto. Maybe this time there wasnt like almost full protection on tanks but Thrawn, DK and DT were almost full.

"Gawejn;c-1349926" wrote:

"Zombie961;c-1349883" wrote:

"Gawejn;c-1349761" wrote:

"Zombie961;c-1349669" wrote:

"Gawejn;c-1349557" wrote:

"Zombie961;c-1349540" wrote:
Empire and Nightsisters aren't bad offensively. But don't hold defense as well as the CL or GK teams. Maybe with someone like Hux or other surge of FO characters may make them arena viable, but unless it's something huge unlikely

This is not true about defense. If empire can beat on offense cls team so what it means? Means that Cls teams dont hold on defense.

Because a CL team takes carful strategy to beat with an empire team. But a CL offensively v an empire team is just put on auto

"FierceRevan;c-1349661" wrote:
@Zombie961 nightsisters are the best defense team currently. They require most people to change their teams to beat them because most meta teams have few if any AOE attacks. This also means that almost nobody will attack a nightsisters team on their last battle attempt, further making them stronger on defense. Also with the acolyte/zombie loop it is easy to accidentally be caught in a time out draw.

Nightsister are pushovers cause they have **** damage and rely on Plague to kill anyone, as for Acolyte Han's opening, or a Thrawn fracture, or a CL buff block, or R2's stun and she's useless, and if you do miss all that and she goes into stealth you can kill the others and put it on auto to speed everything up so R2 is constantly using his AoE which will whittle her down quickly

Carefull strategy for Empire against CLS team? Dont make me laugh. For sure You have no idea about Empire. You put auto and only watch how Empire wins. Maxed Empire can finish on auto with almost full protection. And CLS can hit so strong Stormtrooper that is healing his protection. Leia is hitting Stormtrooper 4k on Critical hits. Storm will recover this just by taunting.

Storm has no healing, do you mean Shoretrooper? Even so Luke buff blocking and him, Han, and R2 are stunning with the only empire's only cleanse being a Thrawn lead screws them. As well as Luke and Han's huge damage, the empire relying on Fracture and deathtrooper, the latter can be counters by Kenobi and R2's pseudo passive cleaning. Do you have any vids of this "auto with almost full protection"?

"ProximaB1_;c-1349829" wrote:

"Zombie961;c-1349669" wrote:

"Gawejn;c-1349557" wrote:

"Zombie961;c-1349540" wrote:
Empire and Nightsisters aren't bad offensively. But don't hold defense as well as the CL or GK teams. Maybe with someone like Hux or other surge of FO characters may make them arena viable, but unless it's something huge unlikely

This is not true about defense. If empire can beat on offense cls team so what it means? Means that Cls teams dont hold on defense.

Because a CL team takes carful strategy to beat with an empire team. But a CL offensively v an empire team is just put on auto

"FierceRevan;c-1349661" wrote:
@Zombie961 nightsisters are the best defense team currently. They require most people to change their teams to beat them because most meta teams have few if any AOE attacks. This also means that almost nobody will attack a nightsisters team on their last battle attempt, further making them stronger on defense. Also with the acolyte/zombie loop it is easy to accidentally be caught in a time out draw.

Nightsister are pushovers cause they have **** damage and rely on Plague to kill anyone, as for Acolyte Han's opening, or a Thrawn fracture, or a CL buff block, or R2's stun and she's useless, and if you do miss all that and she goes into stealth you can kill the others and put it on auto to speed everything up so R2 is constantly using his AoE which will whittle her down quickly

How is r2 doing 25000 in damage with aoe. That's what my nightsister acolyte has. I don't even worry about r2

Even before his unique, crits, and mods, he's doing near 3K with it, and 15% each additional turn for three turns with burning. which totals to near 14K of her health.

Vids you can find on yt. With auto and without auto. Storm recovers protection from zeta lead Thrawn. All team recovers protection. Deathtrooper and Krennic recover health based on crits, all empire recovers health from shoretrooper. Plenty of recovery of protection and health. Storm during fight can recover 40% of protection. One recovery from Thrawn gives another 40%. I can easilly beat maxed g12 full zetas CLS Han R2 team with only g12 Thrawn and rest g11, shore5*,krennic5* and dt 6*. Zeta only on DT. Team power 75 k. Not on auto, for this team must be maxed. But I cant beat the same Empire maxed team with my setup. So this Idea that CLS hold well on defense is not true. There are vids with FO teams beating CLS meta.
Empire is directly for CLS rebels team. Team like cls r2 han chirut baze is piece of cake. Kenobi is not hard even with Barris. Just anoying.

Just one thing, storm can't recover protection, the only recovery is 2% per buff/debuff from Thrawn's lead.

"pinkfloyd;c-1349941" wrote:

"Gawejn;c-1349926" wrote:

"Zombie961;c-1349883" wrote:

"Gawejn;c-1349761" wrote:

"Zombie961;c-1349669" wrote:

"Gawejn;c-1349557" wrote:

"Zombie961;c-1349540" wrote:
Empire and Nightsisters aren't bad offensively. But don't hold defense as well as the CL or GK teams. Maybe with someone like Hux or other surge of FO characters may make them arena viable, but unless it's something huge unlikely

This is not true about defense. If empire can beat on offense cls team so what it means? Means that Cls teams dont hold on defense.

Because a CL team takes carful strategy to beat with an empire team. But a CL offensively v an empire team is just put on auto

"FierceRevan;c-1349661" wrote:
@Zombie961 nightsisters are the best defense team currently. They require most people to change their teams to beat them because most meta teams have few if any AOE attacks. This also means that almost nobody will attack a nightsisters team on their last battle attempt, further making them stronger on defense. Also with the acolyte/zombie loop it is easy to accidentally be caught in a time out draw.

Nightsister are pushovers cause they have **** damage and rely on Plague to kill anyone, as for Acolyte Han's opening, or a Thrawn fracture, or a CL buff block, or R2's stun and she's useless, and if you do miss all that and she goes into stealth you can kill the others and put it on auto to speed everything up so R2 is constantly using his AoE which will whittle her down quickly

Carefull strategy for Empire against CLS team? Dont make me laugh. For sure You have no idea about Empire. You put auto and only watch how Empire wins. Maxed Empire can finish on auto with almost full protection. And CLS can hit so strong Stormtrooper that is healing his protection. Leia is hitting Stormtrooper 4k on Critical hits. Storm will recover this just by taunting.

Storm has no healing, do you mean Shoretrooper? Even so Luke buff blocking and him, Han, and R2 are stunning with the only empire's only cleanse being a Thrawn lead screws them. As well as Luke and Han's huge damage, the empire relying on Fracture and deathtrooper, the latter can be counters by Kenobi and R2's pseudo passive cleaning. Do you have any vids of this "auto with almost full protection"?

"ProximaB1_;c-1349829" wrote:

"Zombie961;c-1349669" wrote:

"Gawejn;c-1349557" wrote:

"Zombie961;c-1349540" wrote:
Empire and Nightsisters aren't bad offensively. But don't hold defense as well as the CL or GK teams. Maybe with someone like Hux or other surge of FO characters may make them arena viable, but unless it's something huge unlikely

This is not true about defense. If empire can beat on offense cls team so what it means? Means that Cls teams dont hold on defense.

Because a CL team takes carful strategy to beat with an empire team. But a CL offensively v an empire team is just put on auto

"FierceRevan;c-1349661" wrote:
@Zombie961 nightsisters are the best defense team currently. They require most people to change their teams to beat them because most meta teams have few if any AOE attacks. This also means that almost nobody will attack a nightsisters team on their last battle attempt, further making them stronger on defense. Also with the acolyte/zombie loop it is easy to accidentally be caught in a time out draw.

Nightsister are pushovers cause they have **** damage and rely on Plague to kill anyone, as for Acolyte Han's opening, or a Thrawn fracture, or a CL buff block, or R2's stun and she's useless, and if you do miss all that and she goes into stealth you can kill the others and put it on auto to speed everything up so R2 is constantly using his AoE which will whittle her down quickly

How is r2 doing 25000 in damage with aoe. That's what my nightsister acolyte has. I don't even worry about r2

Even before his unique, crits, and mods, he's doing near 3K with it, and 15% each additional turn for three turns with burning. which totals to near 14K of her health.

Vids you can find on yt. With auto and without auto. Storm recovers protection from zeta lead Thrawn. All team recovers protection. Deathtrooper and Krennic recover health based on crits, all empire recovers health from shoretrooper. Plenty of recovery of protection and health. Storm during fight can recover 40% of protection. One recovery from Thrawn gives another 40%. I can easilly beat maxed g12 full zetas CLS Han R2 team with only g12 Thrawn and rest g11, shore5*,krennic5* and dt 6*. Zeta only on DT. Team power 75 k. Not on auto, for this team must be maxed. But I cant beat the same Empire maxed team with my setup. So this Idea that CLS hold well on defense is not true. There are vids with FO teams beating CLS meta.
Empire is directly for CLS rebels team. Team like cls r2 han chirut baze is piece of cake. Kenobi is not hard even with Barris. Just anoying.

Just one thing, storm can't recover protection, the only recovery is 2% per buff/debuff from Thrawn's lead.

Right:). I wrote this. Check my post. I didnt mention change in status.

"ProximaB1_;c-1349885" wrote:

"Zombie961;c-1349883" wrote:

"Gawejn;c-1349761" wrote:

"Zombie961;c-1349669" wrote:

"Gawejn;c-1349557" wrote:

"Zombie961;c-1349540" wrote:
Empire and Nightsisters aren't bad offensively. But don't hold defense as well as the CL or GK teams. Maybe with someone like Hux or other surge of FO characters may make them arena viable, but unless it's something huge unlikely

This is not true about defense. If empire can beat on offense cls team so what it means? Means that Cls teams dont hold on defense.

Because a CL team takes carful strategy to beat with an empire team. But a CL offensively v an empire team is just put on auto

"FierceRevan;c-1349661" wrote:
@Zombie961 nightsisters are the best defense team currently. They require most people to change their teams to beat them because most meta teams have few if any AOE attacks. This also means that almost nobody will attack a nightsisters team on their last battle attempt, further making them stronger on defense. Also with the acolyte/zombie loop it is easy to accidentally be caught in a time out draw.

Nightsister are pushovers cause they have **** damage and rely on Plague to kill anyone, as for Acolyte Han's opening, or a Thrawn fracture, or a CL buff block, or R2's stun and she's useless, and if you do miss all that and she goes into stealth you can kill the others and put it on auto to speed everything up so R2 is constantly using his AoE which will whittle her down quickly

Carefull strategy for Empire against CLS team? Dont make me laugh. For sure You have no idea about Empire. You put auto and only watch how Empire wins. Maxed Empire can finish on auto with almost full protection. And CLS can hit so strong Stormtrooper that is healing his protection. Leia is hitting Stormtrooper 4k on Critical hits. Storm will recover this just by taunting.

Storm has no healing, do you mean Shoretrooper? Even so Luke buff blocking and him, Han, and R2 are stunning with the only empire's only cleanse being a Thrawn lead screws them. As well as Luke and Han's huge damage, the empire relying on Fracture and deathtrooper, the latter can be counters by Kenobi and R2's pseudo passive cleaning. Do you have any vids of this "auto with almost full protection"?

"ProximaB1_;c-1349829" wrote:

"Zombie961;c-1349669" wrote:

"Gawejn;c-1349557" wrote:

"Zombie961;c-1349540" wrote:
Empire and Nightsisters aren't bad offensively. But don't hold defense as well as the CL or GK teams. Maybe with someone like Hux or other surge of FO characters may make them arena viable, but unless it's something huge unlikely

This is not true about defense. If empire can beat on offense cls team so what it means? Means that Cls teams dont hold on defense.

Because a CL team takes carful strategy to beat with an empire team. But a CL offensively v an empire team is just put on auto

"FierceRevan;c-1349661" wrote:
@Zombie961 nightsisters are the best defense team currently. They require most people to change their teams to beat them because most meta teams have few if any AOE attacks. This also means that almost nobody will attack a nightsisters team on their last battle attempt, further making them stronger on defense. Also with the acolyte/zombie loop it is easy to accidentally be caught in a time out draw.

Nightsister are pushovers cause they have **** damage and rely on Plague to kill anyone, as for Acolyte Han's opening, or a Thrawn fracture, or a CL buff block, or R2's stun and she's useless, and if you do miss all that and she goes into stealth you can kill the others and put it on auto to speed everything up so R2 is constantly using his AoE which will whittle her down quickly

How is r2 doing 25000 in damage with aoe. That's what my nightsister acolyte has. I don't even worry about r2

Even before his unique, crits, and mods, he's doing near 3K with it, and 15% each additional turn for three turns with burning. which totals to near 14K of her health.

She heals on basic. She had full health on her next turn.

She heals on a crit, which with GK severely limits her

"pinkfloyd;c-1349916" wrote:

"Zombie961;c-1349883" wrote:
Do you have any vids of this "auto with almost full protection"?

https://youtu.be/80pBxUZIvjE

Several problems with that example;
1. They were fighting a Chaze team which isn't to impressive compared to a GK and Zarriss/Thrawn/Nihilus team
2. They still did manual targeting which doesn't show off the true ai
3. If they are as good defensively as you say, why don't we see more of them in arena?