It's pretty much a given that the General Grievous/Seperatist rework was a huge disappointment. There are quite a few reasons for this, but the biggest issue with his rework; and the overall game right now is how op Revan is. I could write an entire book about how ridiculously op his kit is, but I'd rather work towards solutions. A small fix that could some what remedy the situation is by fixing the interaction between taunt ignore, and marked. Marked is a brand new debuff, and its possible that the devs overlooked this detail. "Marked" shouldn't be able to be ignored by characters with "Taunt" ignore, simple as that. This would give GG more viability in arena, and tone down Revan just a tiny bit. I mean things just start to get ridiculous when Revan can mark 2 characters at a time anyway. This solution also gives the devs room to claim this was a negligent error, and not just poor design; like when they "fixed" nest many months after she was released. Overall this is a simple fix, and it wont solve all the things wrong with Revan and the game right now, but it could help to get a little more diversity back in arena. Not to mention give a little consolation to the players who had their hopes crushed by this rework.

Do you see what I mean though? That the character shouldn't be unable to gain the taunt "buff" while he has a locked buff immunity. What I'm saying is that marked should force all units to target the marked character, and "taunt" ignore shouldn't be able to get around "marked". Maybe in the future they could make an ability where a character can ignore "marked" instead of "taunt". But the main point is that marked, and taunt can have the same function but one is a debuff, while the other is a buff.

"Poppa_Smurf;c-1785442" wrote:You can win with GG even with B1 marked.That's not the point, the interaction that I'm proposing would mostly help GG by not allowing Revan/CLS to get around the droids that GG applies marked to.

"Ninjah9;c-1785447" wrote:Do you see what I mean though? That the character shouldn't be unable to gain the taunt "buff" while he has a locked buff immunity. What I'm saying is that marked should force all units to target the marked character, and "taunt" ignore shouldn't be able to get around "marked". Maybe in the future they could make an ability where a character can ignore "marked" instead of "taunt". But the main point is that marked, and taunt can have the same function but one is a debuff, while the other is a buff.It's not gaining a buff. It's gaining an effect. Subtle difference, but important to the mechanic. I agree though, Mark is its own ability and should have its own effect called 'Mark' that can, and should, behave differently than Taunt. Or they should just call it 'Forced Taunt' and use a red Taunt indicator instead of the Mark indicator.

You're right, I misunderstood what you were saying. That's another good reason that characters with taunt ignore shouldn't be able to ignore characters with marked.

"ChristophIV;c-1785501" wrote:"Ninjah9;c-1785500" wrote:That's actually the same point I was trying to make to @ChristophIV , lol.Point out where I said it applies a buff. I'll wait.It has all the effects of a taunt without the little green marker. It is still a taunt.Right. Under the covers. Nowhere in game does it link Mark to Taunt. So it's a bit misleading to have units that ignore Taunt also ignore Mark. Here's the description of Direct Focus, I don't see any reason described that CLS or Nest should ignore Mark:Inflict Buff Immunity and Marked on target enemy for 2 turns (these effects can't be Resisted, Copied or Dispelled). Increase target enemy's cooldowns by 1, reduce their Turn Meter by 50% and Stun them for 1 turn. This attack can't be Evaded. Call all Jedi allies to assist dealing 50% less damage. Marked: All enemies will target this unit

Revan/CLS/Nest Taunt ignore, and Marked mechanics

ninjah9
6 years ago
Do you see what I mean though? That the character shouldn't be unable to gain the taunt "buff" while he has a locked buff immunity. What I'm saying is that marked should force all units to target the marked character, and "taunt" ignore shouldn't be able to get around "marked". Maybe in the future they could make an ability where a character can ignore "marked" instead of "taunt". But the main point is that marked, and taunt can have the same function but one is a debuff, while the other is a buff.
ninjah9
6 years ago
"Poppa_Smurf;c-1785442" wrote:
You can win with GG even with B1 marked.

That's not the point, the interaction that I'm proposing would mostly help GG by not allowing Revan/CLS to get around the droids that GG applies marked to.
homerjsolo
6 years ago
"Ninjah9;c-1785447" wrote:
Do you see what I mean though? That the character shouldn't be unable to gain the taunt "buff" while he has a locked buff immunity. What I'm saying is that marked should force all units to target the marked character, and "taunt" ignore shouldn't be able to get around "marked". Maybe in the future they could make an ability where a character can ignore "marked" instead of "taunt". But the main point is that marked, and taunt can have the same function but one is a debuff, while the other is a buff.

It's not gaining a buff. It's gaining an effect. Subtle difference, but important to the mechanic.

I agree though, Mark is its own ability and should have its own effect called 'Mark' that can, and should, behave differently than Taunt. Or they should just call it 'Forced Taunt' and use a red Taunt indicator instead of the Mark indicator.
ninjah9
6 years ago
You're right, I misunderstood what you were saying. That's another good reason that characters with taunt ignore shouldn't be able to ignore characters with marked.
homerjsolo
6 years ago
"ChristophIV;c-1785501" wrote:
"Ninjah9;c-1785500" wrote:
That's actually the same point I was trying to make to @ChristophIV , lol.

Point out where I said it applies a buff. I'll wait.

It has all the effects of a taunt without the little green marker. It is still a taunt.

Right. Under the covers. Nowhere in game does it link Mark to Taunt. So it's a bit misleading to have units that ignore Taunt also ignore Mark.

Here's the description of Direct Focus, I don't see any reason described that CLS or Nest should ignore Mark:

Inflict Buff Immunity and Marked on target enemy for 2 turns (these effects can't be Resisted, Copied or Dispelled). Increase target enemy's cooldowns by 1, reduce their Turn Meter by 50% and Stun them for 1 turn. This attack can't be Evaded. Call all Jedi allies to assist dealing 50% less damage. Marked: All enemies will target this unit
homerjsolo
6 years ago
"Ninjah9;c-1785505" wrote:
Precisely! It is it's own unique status effect, therefore characters with "TAUNT" ignore shouldn't be able to bypass "MARKED".

The simple fix would be to copy the Taunt effect and simply rename to a Mark effect for the Mark debuff. That way it wouldn't meet the criteria for ignore Taunt.

I'd prefer they tweak it a bit so it's not simply a copy of another effect.

Neither of these is likely to happen though.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
ninjah9
6 years ago
It may be working as "intended", but its definitely not working as described...
chfc220510
6 years ago
So basically replace marked with fracture?
ninjah9
6 years ago
No, i didn't say anything even resembling that???
ChristophIV
Hero+
6 years ago
Marked applies a taunt, why shouldn’t characters that can ignore taunt be able to ignore it?