Sith Marauder ability WAI??

"Liath;c-1460944" wrote:

"jejuzang;c-1460934" wrote:

"DedrickRogue;c-1460923" wrote:
TM gain for every counter attack, and for everyone that assists.

Now its attacks? I thought it was every ability use, not just attack. Wouldn't that cover passive and uniques?

It never has before, AFAIK. As mentioned, you aren't "using" a passive, it's just there.

I am not sure what AFAIK means. I thought that was a typo in the earlier comment.

"ElleMadara;c-1461078" wrote:
Dude, chill out, an ability can be either a Bassic (a counter/an assist), a passive unique (Old Ben dying) or a leadership skill (CLS gaining TM when his friends are hurt), is that HARD to understand?

The confusion is, will SM gain TM when Njghtsister zombie taunts.

Apparently not because its not an "active ability" seems to be the general consensus.

The description on this is vague and only says abilities in game and is clarified further here in the forums. Those that don't check the forums for clarification are out of luck i guess.

This isnt the first time they have ignored grammatical and normal english rules to justify their wording. Someone outside of the group should proof read this stuff first.

"Nikoms565;c-1460244" wrote:

"RacerDejak;c-1460121" wrote:

"leef;c-1460119" wrote:

"RacerDejak;c-1460095" wrote:
Yea i agree.. wording is not their strongest. There's a lot descriptions that confuse me as well :grimace:

You mean "wording is not their strong suit"? ^_^

Yea something like that.. sorry if confusing.. my english not good :grimace:

I am a native English speaker from the US (like the devs) - and I don't understand ability or event wordings half the time. It's not you....it's them. :D

Well 20% of the US population is functionally illiterate. So by itself that fact is not telling us anything...

"jejuzang;c-1461212" wrote:



I am not sure what AFAIK means. I thought that was a typo in the earlier comment.

As stated above, it means “as far as I know.”

"Trias;c-1461296" wrote:

"Nikoms565;c-1460244" wrote:

"RacerDejak;c-1460121" wrote:

"leef;c-1460119" wrote:

"RacerDejak;c-1460095" wrote:
Yea i agree.. wording is not their strongest. There's a lot descriptions that confuse me as well :grimace:

You mean "wording is not their strong suit"? ^_^

Yea something like that.. sorry if confusing.. my english not good :grimace:

I am a native English speaker from the US (like the devs) - and I don't understand ability or event wordings half the time. It's not you....it's them. :D

Well 20% of the US population is functionally illiterate. So by itself that fact is not telling us anything...

I have a Masters Degree. I think I would be considered "functionally literate" by almost any definition you would care to use. Now, I have no idea what the credentials of those who write the abilities might be. ;)

"Woodroward;c-1461051" wrote:
The difference between passives and uniques vs basics and specials is, in general, that the former pair are mainly triggered effects, while the latter pair are actions taken by the toon.

The wording is that whenever a character uses an ability outside of their turn. Passive abilities are never used they are only triggered. Now on counters and assists something triggered that character to use that ability so it was an action (a use) that was triggered. With a taunt, it is merely an effect that was triggered. You can tell that no ability was used because no animation of the character happens to show it as such.

Bottom line is that passives/uniques are never used, they are simply always on and either have persistent or triggered effects.

Counters are also never used, they are triggered.
So wouldn't that follow the same logic you are using? Except they seem to want the counters to count but don't want uniques to count. Neither are actions taken by a character, they are passively triggered by an enemy or ally.

We definitely need a proper explanation!!

"Jovana_Milo;c-1461369" wrote:

"Woodroward;c-1461051" wrote:
The difference between passives and uniques vs basics and specials is, in general, that the former pair are mainly triggered effects, while the latter pair are actions taken by the toon.

The wording is that whenever a character uses an ability outside of their turn. Passive abilities are never used they are only triggered. Now on counters and assists something triggered that character to use that ability so it was an action (a use) that was triggered. With a taunt, it is merely an effect that was triggered. You can tell that no ability was used because no animation of the character happens to show it as such.

Bottom line is that passives/uniques are never used, they are simply always on and either have persistent or triggered effects.

Counters are also never used, they are triggered.
So wouldn't that follow the same logic you are using? Except they seem to want the counters to count but don't want uniques to count. Neither are actions taken by a character, they are passively triggered by an enemy or ally.

When a character counters, it attacks utilizing its basic ability. The counter isn't the action. The attack itself is.

"leef;c-1461383" wrote:

A mother yelled at her daughter because she was drunk. So who was drunk, the mother or the daughter?

Yes. This is a prime example.

"Jovana_Milo;c-1461369" wrote:

"Woodroward;c-1461051" wrote:
The difference between passives and uniques vs basics and specials is, in general, that the former pair are mainly triggered effects, while the latter pair are actions taken by the toon.

The wording is that whenever a character uses an ability outside of their turn. Passive abilities are never used they are only triggered. Now on counters and assists something triggered that character to use that ability so it was an action (a use) that was triggered. With a taunt, it is merely an effect that was triggered. You can tell that no ability was used because no animation of the character happens to show it as such.

Bottom line is that passives/uniques are never used, they are simply always on and either have persistent or triggered effects.

Counters are also never used, they are triggered.
So wouldn't that follow the same logic you are using? Except they seem to want the counters to count but don't want uniques to count. Neither are actions taken by a character, they are passively triggered by an enemy or ally.

No, they trigger the use of an ability. The fact that an ability was used is confirmed by the character performing an animation. It was an action taken by the character, but not at the direction of the user, whereas a buff appearing doesn't result in the character moving or doing anything like that, so they aren't taking an action, they are simply gaining an effect.

"jejuzang;c-1461867" wrote:

"leef;c-1461383" wrote:

A mother yelled at her daughter because she was drunk. So who was drunk, the mother or the daughter?

Yes. This is a prime example.

All abilities that can be used during a match have animations attached to them. If the toon doesn't animate, unique abilities based on "using an ability" won't trigger. That's because unique abilities are never used they only trigger. Besides potentially leader abilities, all other abilities are used,

So the problem was you got fixated on the word ability when the meat of the meaning was in the entire phrase: "Uses an ability".