Slow tank vs fast tank

I think the main reason to do this with STHan isn't so that his taunt lasts longer but more so that he goes just slower than any QGJ and thus gets off his taunt for at least one full turn. With that in mind, you probably want him around 140-145 speed and you have to design the rest of your lineup to be able to operate without the STHan TM boost first turn.

"Zooey;630603" wrote:
I think the main reason to do this with STHan isn't so that his taunt lasts longer but more so that he goes just slower than any QGJ and thus gets off his taunt for at least one full turn. With that in mind, you probably want him around 140-145 speed and you have to design the rest of your lineup to be able to operate without the STHan TM boost first turn.

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"Zooey;630603" wrote:
140-145 speed and you have to design the rest of your lineup to be able to operate without the STHan TM boost first turn.

I know it's not ideal or a meta, my team is designed around IGD so anyway STH is not used the first round, maybe even first 2 rounds.

I think RG would be better with the setup but i was late in understanding his strenght and now it's too slow rising him up and i don't like that it is not very predictable, can be worked around it's proc.

"Astateofmind;630645" wrote:

"Zooey;630603" wrote:
140-145 speed and you have to design the rest of your lineup to be able to operate without the STHan TM boost first turn.

I know it's not ideal or a meta, my team is designed around IGD so anyway STH is not used the first round, maybe even first 2 rounds.

I think RG would be better with the setup but i was late in understanding his strenght and now it's too slow rising him up and i don't like that it is not very predictable, can be worked around it's proc.

If you're using IGD lead, then STHan is gonna bring nothing to your lineup. Either use RG, Sun Fac if you have him, or just go without a tank with a lineup like IGD, Aayla, Anakin, Fives, QGJ.

STH is more like a "oh shit" solution, but with a bit more control, i can taunt when i have one toon still above 50% life but a rey/vader/leia would kill it.

IGD lead is quite useful against AOE attacks even with STH taunting. But i'm trying to bring RG to 6* befoe using it a bit more consistent.

@Astateofmind - thank you for asking this question before me.

What good is a taunting Han that immediately gets dispelled? As you said @Zooey - all you need for him to do is go after QGJ or Sun Fac (heaven forbid). Unless you have him way faster than the rest of your team to give TM, there is seemingly no reason to give him much speed at all.

In fact, you wonder if having one tank on defense is even worth it since 95% of teams can dispel taunts anyway. Two tanks, now that can be formidable....

Speed on han: u have to consider speed and skills of rest of your squad.

Ideally u don't waste much of the TM boost. And ideally, taunt fills TM for toon(s) that can stun or block qgj or stun Fac.

I think there's two ways to look at this:

1) you can make STH the fastest on your team. His taunt provides a 30% TM boost which can allow your entire team to go before theirs. However, it risks him being dispelled almost immediately

2) You can pair him up with a much faster tank, like Poe. Poe taunts, gets dispelled, and then STH taunts. Now they have to focus fire on STH, which gives you more TM throughout the match. By the time his taunt runs out or gets dispelled, your other tank can start his taunt. However, this setup is neutralized by someone like B2 or Sun Fac and it may risk him getting ability blocked first.

"Xhere;638096" wrote:

"Manowar;636878" wrote:
@Astateofmind - thank you for asking this question before me.

What good is a taunting Han that immediately gets dispelled? As you said @Zooey - all you need for him to do is go after QGJ or Sun Fac (heaven forbid). Unless you have him way faster than the rest of your team to give TM, there is seemingly no reason to give him much speed at all.

In fact, you wonder if having one tank on defense is even worth it since 95% of teams can dispel taunts anyway. Two tanks, now that can be formidable....

Just because Taunt can be dispelled doesnt mean there no need for St.Han.

Keep in mind QGJ Ai is d-u-m-b. It will waste his taunt remove on just about any buff it sees, even foresight. So you can easily trick QGJ in wasting his move. Now that discussion is done.

I cant believe this is like the 3rd thread with this issue.... im shocked that this is not clear to many. St.Han is used mainly for TM boost and for TM reduce allowing your team to get ahead and giving your team tons of turns. In order for St.Han to do this... HE NEEDS SPEED. Having a slow st.han is pointless and a big waste because he isnt the best of tanks.
-to better understand this / Lets assume St.Han doesnt have a taunt... then how would you use him? You would probably find yourself putting tons of speed on him because his abilities are based on each of his turns. Removing TM each turn - chance to gain TM each turn.

Overall.. what use is a taunt if toons are dead before using it.... his affectness is based on how many turns he gets... having two taunts also fixes the issue of worrying about getting dispelled but playing the game to avoid enemies abilities isnt going to get you to the top rank.

You need to think more in the lines of which toon goes first and which skill does that toon use first... with each of the 5 toons and making sure the synergy of all 5 flows not only correctly in speed but most affective in DPS. The first few turns can determine the victor - hopefully this opinion of how PVP is viewed might help you the next time your in arena.

I think you've got some tunnel vision and think that you have the answer for every case which is simply not true. Your solution is good for getting a small edge in the beginning and sputters out to uselessness if your burst doesn't kill enough opposing members. If you want a distinct turn meter boost then why wouldn't you just do the same with Phasma, who gives 20% more turn meter with advantage and has a shorter cool down? She has 5 less speed than STH. If you need a taunt then use Han but you argue that the taunt is worthless.

Personally I have used both with Phasma lead and a slower Han, if he goes after the enemy dispeller then you have a full round of turns of enemies forced to attack him, with possibly a second turn altogether due to Phasma Victory March. You can make a fast team slow to a crawl. Anyway, this works in my server, but you obviously have a different experience and everyone who disagrees are clearly noobs.

If han is the fastest on your team, his taunt is probably wasting a lot of TM on your other fast toons. If he is slower, his TM will give an instant second turn to your faster toons plus get ur slower toons to fill. You have to tailor ur ST for ur needs.

Speed totally depends on your server and ur team. My han rocking out at 140, atm. Have had him up to 190, and that was pretty awful at that time. Dropped like a rock in arena.

People easily beat a one trick pony. Especially when that pony isn't even particularly good at its trick. Lots of teams have a faster first turn attack pony than speedy ST Han.

If u wanna hold rank, u probably better with an RNG defense than a high defense against one or two other squads. People.will go out of their way to attack a squad they know they will beat 99%. If only because it is hard to pass up a match where ur squad happens to shine like a diamond.