Disclosure: I've finished 1st in Fleet every day for a while (Top 3 for a long time), so this isn't a "it's too hard so change it" kind of post. Also, I have exactly 3 good Rebels ships, so if CG listens to me, I'm screwed lolI'm not a fan of the current Ackbar/Falcon meta. Mace time-out was dumb and annoying, but at least it was a well-developed strategy, and you had to bring a well-developed counter. However, the Ackbar/Falcon teams are waaaay too RNG dependent imo. Doesn't matter how much better your crew members and ships are, if Falcon doesn't assist a whole lot, you lose. If it assists most of the time, you win. I've lost 4v2 battles, and won 2v4 battles simply because RNG decided I should. I'm not a fan of RNG. I know it's how CG makes all their money, but it's lame when you've crafted this great strategy, or worked hard perfecting your toons, then it all goes to pieces because of "chance".

Yeah, Mace timeout was kitten but it required great investment and utilizing all your ships to beef up your defense. Rebel is just RNG fest to a RNG arena and anyone who whaled on a falcon can climb to the top. With Mace, if you weren't laser focused on ships you wouldn't climb at all

Well I've taken first in fleet since almost the day I started through several different metas and I for one love the falcon....sometimes I switch back to thrawn and the bh meta just to change it up but if I leave a fleet on defense it's my go to Home 1 with HT, XB and HMF as my starting 3 and I have not lost a spot on defense since I switched....its not really as rng dependant as you think as even if han fails to assist most of the time it's still simple to roll through a lineup with the buff cleanse from HMF. XB keeps hound taunting and ackbar keeps HT healthy

"JediKnight_MarkRyan;c-1763775" wrote:I finish #1 in fleet arena every day. It’s getting harder. I had a huge advantage with a 7* G12.5 Ackbar. Now I’m either going to have to gear up Bistans ship or use Cassian as a reinforcement.You use Cassian as a reinforcement and you can take out the Falcon easily I’ve Head. I just don’t have that ship developed enough yet. Worst case scenario I settle for second or try a few various ship lineups like using the silencer.All that to say, it’s not an RNG feat if you have the right tools. If you develop the right tools... like Cassian you can win every time. Yeah cassian reinforcement is the go-to tactic. But need to make sure none of your ships have breach first.

"John_Matrix1985;c-1763780" wrote:"JediKnight_MarkRyan;c-1763775" wrote:I finish #1 in fleet arena every day. It’s getting harder. I had a huge advantage with a 7* G12.5 Ackbar. Now I’m either going to have to gear up Bistans ship or use Cassian as a reinforcement.You use Cassian as a reinforcement and you can take out the Falcon easily I’ve Head. I just don’t have that ship developed enough yet. Worst case scenario I settle for second or try a few various ship lineups like using the silencer.All that to say, it’s not an RNG feat if you have the right tools. If you develop the right tools... like Cassian you can win every time. Yeah cassian reinforcement is the go-to tactic. But need to make sure none of your ships have breach first.1- first AA move, cleanse breach. 2- second AA move, cassian reinforcement3- kill HMF4-????5- profit

"gflegui;c-1763894" wrote:Only if your Home one is slower than your enemy... otherwise I think the best starter is to drop the massive attack and with some luck you kill a ship. "Kyno;c-1763880" wrote:"John_Matrix1985;c-1763780" wrote:"JediKnight_MarkRyan;c-1763775" wrote:I finish #1 in fleet arena every day. It’s getting harder. I had a huge advantage with a 7* G12.5 Ackbar. Now I’m either going to have to gear up Bistans ship or use Cassian as a reinforcement.You use Cassian as a reinforcement and you can take out the Falcon easily I’ve Head. I just don’t have that ship developed enough yet. Worst case scenario I settle for second or try a few various ship lineups like using the silencer.All that to say, it’s not an RNG feat if you have the right tools. If you develop the right tools... like Cassian you can win every time. Yeah cassian reinforcement is the go-to tactic. But need to make sure none of your ships have breach first.1- first AA move, cleanse breach. 2- second AA move, cassian reinforcement3- kill HMF4-????5- profitExactly. Cleanse is a terrible idea instead of calling at least 2 assists under ackbar. I agree with op. Ive always been 1st at po, but it indeed is annoying that some days i win 5 out of 5 , then on another days, lose 2 in a row before winning 3 in a row..

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Rath_Tarr0
6 years ago
Plenty of variants in the top 20 of my shard, with 3 of the 4 capital ships represented, everyone getting shuffled around and people tweaking their lineups to see if a different combo works better
ApolloRyan
6 years ago
"cannonfodder_iv;c-1765344" wrote:
"JediKnight_MarkRyan;c-1765296" wrote:
"Zvezda;c-1765196" wrote:
"JediKnight_MarkRyan;c-1765067" wrote:
I started playing just before ships 2.0 came out. I remember everyone complaining that it all came down to RNG since everyone had maxed out ships with the same starters and it was a coin flip who went first. Now if you invest in the right ships/reinforcements you can eliminate that coin flip. If not then yeah it is a coin flip.

Nope ... RNG is wild even with curent META! So your point is unsusta
inable

Because there aren’t any ships like Cassian’s who removes all buffs and makes the new Falcon a sitting duck.

Unless of course their HT landed breach, despite decreased potency from Ghost or increased tenacity from a non-stealthed non-taunting HT, or you do get timing right on the Cassian RI but don't get an assist off of the Falcon's basic..or it dodges, or it dodges twice...or you appropriately put defense down on Biggs but he dodged too, again, for the third time that match, only to have Phantom and Cassian inflict target lock then AA heal, so a nearly dead Biggs is now back to full health, with Advantage....the list goes on.

Actually it’s pretty simple... cleanse breach & get Advantage. reinforce with Cassian. Then kill falcon ASAP. Reinforcement is on cooldown and the cleanse/heal is arguably the best first move.

Or just make your home one faster and one shot kill an opponent. I dropped from 1 to #3 today. Not because of RNG. Developing ships.
DaarthBrewer
Seasoned Novice
6 years ago
I also heavily invested to beat fleet. Used to take #1 frequently but have fallen into top 10 since HMF but managed to squeak in a #1 tonight, figuring it out. I beat a 7* HT with my 6* HT and 5* HMF. I like fleet way better than squad but it's still an rng fest. I agree it's one of my fave modes but one that frustrates me more than any other.
6the6bull6
6 years ago
AA Millenium Falcon is a terrible RNG meta. Here is hoping ep shuttle kicks it to the curb.

Edited to avoid confusion over censored word. - EA_Cian
ApolloRyan
6 years ago
"Nikoms565;c-1766108" wrote:
"Trystan_Spyder;c-1765328" wrote:
"Nikoms565;c-1765218" wrote:
..Honestly, if CG wants to fix what's wrong with fleet, they just need to watch Ahnald's vid on fleet being the worst game mode (which 65% of the people who voted in his poll agree with, BTW)...

A poll put on by a youtuber, to his followers, and the majority agree with him? That's surely a fair and unbiased result.

Start a poll here then. You might be surprised at how much the results are similar to Ahnald's.

I find at amusing that people like to cast aspersions on small sample size or bias in any poll that's done...and then complain about drop rate conspiracy because their drops for *whatever character they're farming* just went 0 for 12.

Challenge accepted... except on the FB fan page.
trystanspyder
6 years ago
"Jarvind;c-1766185" wrote:
I'll say it every time - if you hate fleet arena, it's because you don't bother to read ability descriptions and can't figure out why you're getting rofl'd by a seemingly-inferior opponent.

Admittedly the Falcon is a little bonkers, but I'm not crying for a nerf to it. I'ma just build up my rebels.

I love fleet, but I could see plenty of reasons why people wouldn't.

It's a different game mode with different abilities. You have to dedicate a lot of resources - it's not just the ship, but the toons (and their gear/abilities/mods). There is some overlap where great toons have ships, but a lot of the time you end up with Geos or Bistan or Fives.

You build a good team for squad arena, and it has a lot of use in a lot of game modes. You build a good fleet for fleet arena and it's good for fleet arena. And maybe TW. And a little of TB. But since those are guild-wide events you can be covered by your mates.
Vaderizer
Seasoned Newcomer
6 years ago
"Trystan_Spyder;c-1766188" wrote:
"Jarvind;c-1766185" wrote:
I'll say it every time - if you hate fleet arena, it's because you don't bother to read ability descriptions and can't figure out why you're getting rofl'd by a seemingly-inferior opponent.

Admittedly the Falcon is a little bonkers, but I'm not crying for a nerf to it. I'ma just build up my rebels.

I love fleet, but I could see plenty of reasons why people wouldn't.

It's a different game mode with different abilities. You have to dedicate a lot of resources - it's not just the ship, but the toons (and their gear/abilities/mods). There is some overlap where great toons have ships, but a lot of the time you end up with Geos or Bistan or Fives.

You build a good team for squad arena, and it has a lot of use in a lot of game modes. You build a good fleet for fleet arena and it's good for fleet arena. And maybe TW. And a little of TB. But since those are guild-wide events you can be covered by your mates.

And GA! Sometimes!

But yeah I see your point. Still, there are plenty of characters with ships who aren't arena-worthy but work fine in any other game mode - the crews of both U-wings are good examples. In fact, I would argue that the overwhelming majority of pilots are at least somewhat useful on the ground - the only one I can think of offhand that's just truly trash is Plo Koon. Most others are at least decent, and Bistan is even potentially a beast if he's with Chewie and Guarded.
cannonfodder_iv
New Spectator
6 years ago

"JediKnight_MarkRyan;c-1765469" wrote:
"cannonfodder_iv;c-1765344" wrote:
"JediKnight_MarkRyan;c-1765296" wrote:
"Zvezda;c-1765196" wrote:
"JediKnight_MarkRyan;c-1765067" wrote:
I started playing just before ships 2.0 came out. I remember everyone complaining that it all came down to RNG since everyone had maxed out ships with the same starters and it was a coin flip who went first. Now if you invest in the right ships/reinforcements you can eliminate that coin flip. If not then yeah it is a coin flip.

Nope ... RNG is wild even with curent META! So your point is unsusta
inable

Because there aren’t any ships like Cassian’s who removes all buffs and makes the new Falcon a sitting duck.

Unless of course their HT landed breach, despite decreased potency from Ghost or increased tenacity from a non-stealthed non-taunting HT, or you do get timing right on the Cassian RI but don't get an assist off of the Falcon's basic..or it dodges, or it dodges twice...or you appropriately put defense down on Biggs but he dodged too, again, for the third time that match, only to have Phantom and Cassian inflict target lock then AA heal, so a nearly dead Biggs is now back to full health, with Advantage....the list goes on.

Actually it’s pretty simple... cleanse breach & get Advantage. reinforce with Cassian. Then kill falcon ASAP. Reinforcement is on cooldown and the cleanse/heal is arguably the best first move.

Or just make your home one faster and one shot kill an opponent. I dropped from 1 to #3 today. Not because of RNG. Developing ships.

@JediKnight_MarkRyan Regardless of having the fastest Home One on the shard, being able to reinforce with Cassian or all of the other painfully obvious "strategic" counter measures that can be employed in the current meta, it's an RNG fest that is largely dictated by how many times rebel ships assist off one another, whether or not they crit when, whether or not breach gets resisted, or how likely it is that one of those elusive tanks will dodge at an in/opportune time.

The fact that you fell from 1 to 3 tells me nothing other than you are fortunate enough to be in a ship shard that has no idea what it's doing or you decided to "invest in ships" by taking a faction that is marginally useful in end-game and over invest in it (Phoenix) or were prescient enough to get BH ships to 7*. An swgoh.gg profile will go a long way towards bolstering your argument.

And here's what I mean by RNG dependent. AA / HT / HMF / Ghost (faster AA) vs AA / HT / HMF / Biggs (slower AA). First match after opening round, Ghost dead, breached while opposing breach resisted. Second match after opening round, Biggs dead no breach while opposing HT breached. RANDOM.
ApolloRyan
6 years ago
"cannonfodder_iv;c-1766445" wrote:

"JediKnight_MarkRyan;c-1765469" wrote:
"cannonfodder_iv;c-1765344" wrote:
"JediKnight_MarkRyan;c-1765296" wrote:
"Zvezda;c-1765196" wrote:
"JediKnight_MarkRyan;c-1765067" wrote:
I started playing just before ships 2.0 came out. I remember everyone complaining that it all came down to RNG since everyone had maxed out ships with the same starters and it was a coin flip who went first. Now if you invest in the right ships/reinforcements you can eliminate that coin flip. If not then yeah it is a coin flip.

Nope ... RNG is wild even with curent META! So your point is unsusta
inable

Because there aren’t any ships like Cassian’s who removes all buffs and makes the new Falcon a sitting duck.

Unless of course their HT landed breach, despite decreased potency from Ghost or increased tenacity from a non-stealthed non-taunting HT, or you do get timing right on the Cassian RI but don't get an assist off of the Falcon's basic..or it dodges, or it dodges twice...or you appropriately put defense down on Biggs but he dodged too, again, for the third time that match, only to have Phantom and Cassian inflict target lock then AA heal, so a nearly dead Biggs is now back to full health, with Advantage....the list goes on.

Actually it’s pretty simple... cleanse breach & get Advantage. reinforce with Cassian. Then kill falcon ASAP. Reinforcement is on cooldown and the cleanse/heal is arguably the best first move.

Or just make your home one faster and one shot kill an opponent. I dropped from 1 to #3 today. Not because of RNG. Developing ships.

@JediKnight_MarkRyan Regardless of having the fastest Home One on the shard, being able to reinforce with Cassian or all of the other painfully obvious "strategic" counter measures that can be employed in the current meta, it's an RNG fest that is largely dictated by how many times rebel ships assist off one another, whether or not they crit when, whether or not breach gets resisted, or how likely it is that one of those elusive tanks will dodge at an in/opportune time.

The fact that you fell from 1 to 3 tells me nothing other than you are fortunate enough to be in a ship shard that has no idea what it's doing or you decided to "invest in ships" by taking a faction that is marginally useful in end-game and over invest in it (Phoenix) or were prescient enough to get BH ships to 7*. An swgoh.gg profile will go a long way towards bolstering your argument.

And here's what I mean by RNG dependent. AA / HT / HMF / Ghost (faster AA) vs AA / HT / HMF / Biggs (slower AA). First match after opening round, Ghost dead, breached while opposing breach resisted. Second match after opening round, Biggs dead no breach while opposing HT breached. RANDOM.

Cleanse breach and grant advantage using AA. That gives you guaranteed Crits. It’s pretty obvious that the next Meta will introduce a mass daze and prevent all of the assists from occurring. Which do you enjoy more... Maces time-out team that took 5+ minutes or a more RNG meta?

And last of all there are always control pieces that reduce/eliminate Being at the mercy of RNG. Go find them and use them.

I fall from 1 to 3 in fleet because 1. My shard is 11 months old and 2. I invested heavily in ships since day 1.
Mephisto_style
6 years ago
"kalidor;c-1764001" wrote:
I guess the devs figured we were missing the RNG from the last days of ships 1.0. Why bother with strategy when you can have random outcomes? Will my phantom2 hit for 12k, or set off a triple string of crits totalling 75k? That 50% assist of the falcon brings back that fun factor we all loved from last year. :D

These things come and go. From their perspective anything that changes things up is better than not.