Team Droids on Roids...the new Meta?

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1 / (1 * .3 * .6 * .25 )= 22.222222 So I guess it is really more like one out of every 22 or 23 attacks on average. I was rounding before.

Ahh, see there's where I'm differing. If Chopper is already assisting, I'm not counting his 30% chance to count again.

Also, there's only three droids who are subject to getting their cooldowns reduced. So for me I did 1/ (1 * .6 * .3333333). So for that, each time he Chopper does assist, there's actually a 20% chance to reduce the cooldown on ID.

Edit to fix mess

Where I went wrong is I assumed it was the same droid that received the buff got the cooldown.

So essentially I was totally wrong on my math like I originally thought lol.

This is all RNG based too, so you could have runs where Chopper assists every droid attack, and always targets BB8 with his special as well as reducing his CD, but that's an RNGesus moment. I find the average to be a more reliable way to interpret it myself.

Regardless, K2SO only reduces ID CDs when he crits which Chopper also does. This is the part where you decide that part doesn't matter. You also ignore the fact that even if Chopper reduces the CDs of a different droid this still greatly benefits your squad. You also ignore the fact that K2SO only has 1 special instead of 2 lile chopper. Sure, Choppers specials have longer CDs but once he has gone twice and used both specials IDs CDs is likely at 0.

Look man, until you actually use Chopper I never expect you to get it. I've used K2SO. You seem to think his mechanics are beyond me because my gear is only 11. That is the weakest and most absurd of all your claims. The worst part is you believe this logic only applies to others and not you and your ungeared chopper and well honestly... all but maybe 6 of your characters are undergeared. By your own logic you know how to use a total of what... 6 characters?

What's absurd is that you don't get my objection. NOTHING of what I have said has EVER been about offense. Offense is entirely irrelevant in my book. Because of your K2's lack of gear, R2 doesn't target him to leave out of stealth when the AI is controlling him. When it comes down to it, I could never run Chopper in this comp for the rest of my life and I will still know how he performs on defense because I have played against him. Until you gear up K2 to g12, you will not know how he performs on Defense because he won't perform right, and even feedback from your shardmates will mean nothing.

To put it another way: Who cares about offense when they both demolish whoever they come up against?

I have no lamebrained objection like his mechanics are beyond you. My objection is that the AI will not use the team right until you do this. I don't care if you know how to run K2 right. The AI will not run the team right because you don't have him geared enough.

My logic has never once said that you don't know how to use K2S0. Nor has it said that I know how to use Chopper as well as you. Quit trying to turn my objections into something they are not and admit you know nothing about how K2 performs on D under JTR when he is G12.

Who would possibly think that a g11 tank could be as effective as a g12 tank? Why are you trying to insert use of an undergeared character on offense as just as relevant as my experience fighting g12 choppers that are on defense when in order for this team to truly be analyze for effectiveness defense is all that matters (since we've already established that both work very well on offense)?

Until you actually realize that me running Chopper will not change my experience with how well he performs on defense one iota, you will continue to be trying to correct me based onpnothing.

This is pointless. I have zero intention of using K2SO so he's not gear 12. If I had any desire at all to use him then of course I would bring him to 12. For you to even suggest otherwise is pretty telling.

Here's an idea... why don't you try some other characters? It's kinda hard to take anything you say seriously when you only have experience using a few characters. K2SO may seem like an amazing tank to you and I admit that he's not bad but until you actually play the characters you are talking about then your talk is just that... all talk.

The only thing telling here is that you keep deflecting to who I have geared instead of admitting that it doesn't constitute a lack of knowledge on how characters other than mine run on defense.

We're talking about defense here. Who I have played against is just as, if not more relevant than who I have played. I don't care if you decide to run K2 or not. That's never been my issue. I am not trying to convince you to run him. The problem is you acting like K2 fanboyism is the only thing driving my response when I have actual real objections to what you are saying based on mechanics, AI, and experience.

I never "suggested" anything to you other than you can't truly say how he performs on defense without gearing him up. If you don't want to run him, cool. Don't try and come off like the master of all knowledge. Get off your high horse and admit you haven't done it and quit badmouthing me while you are at it. Me pointing out that you haven't geared him up and ran him to see how he does is not me badmouthing you or being a k2 fanboy no matter how many times you try and spin that argument.

Why don't you just admit you misinterpreted pretty much everything I have been talking about and badmouthed me based on baseless assumptions instead of continuing to double down even though you are lacking in the necessary experience to truly have a debate on this issue? It's pretty much the only way you are going to come out of this with your dignity intact at this point.

Bwahahah! Please no more! It never ends!

Aye. It will never end. You are speaking down to me when you don't know what you are talking about. I can't believe you desire to continue to humiliate yourself this way.


I've proven you wrong with math. I've corrected your mistakenly obtuse opinions of the things I've been saying. The things you keep coming back to are: K2 must crit. So must Chopper. It applies to both, therefore it is irrelevant. And the fact that I don't have Chopper geared.

Explain to me how playing against him doesn't show me what he's like on defense and I'll admit defeat. If you can't or don't, then you will have proven the irrelevance of your insistence upon this point whether or not you admit it.

(protip: you'll come out of this looking better if you admit rather than not)

If you reply with anything else... well I guess you should just remove the letters 'sbane' from your name there bub.

The only thing you've proven is that your roster is very limited, your mods are meh, and that you have fought Chopper while on Defense. You ignore every single argument against your claims and use jabs and insults to try to discredit those who disagree with you. Your claims against Chopper on defense ring very hollow considering the fact that all teams are easily beat on defense right now. Your K2SO fails just as much as Chopper on defense or your arena rank wouldn't be all over the place. You make claims about characters you have NEVER used and then declare yourself the "winner" over and over despite the fact you have had ZERO support in this thread. Your "math" is all theoretical and you have ZERO means to prove anything you say because you simply don't have the characters. You seem to think a big meat shield is the sole purpose of Chopper in a IPD squad and ignore the turn meter aspect of the squad which Chopper puts into overdrive. You ignore the fact that Chopper's assists occur while your guys are attacking and this is a very speedy squad that gets multiple attacks in before the enemy gets a turn meanwhile K2SO has to wait for the enemy to attack to counter and your own foresights prevent counters which means even less crits for your K2SO. If the enemy is stealthed then its very likely you will see a very limited amount of counters. I fully expect you to ignore all of this and declare yourself "winner" once again like a tool.

I have already addressed every single one of these points on numerous occasions. You, however, have NEVER addressed my rebuttals with anything other than repeating the same thing again. Your points are not true, get over them. Address the rebuttals instead of repeating them or drop them. Not doing so means I win, period.

You keep coming back to my roster as if it somehow says anything about my credibility. Well guess what? It doesn't. However, bringing it up does continue to detract from YOUR credibility. It actually makes you come across as a troll.

It's other little things you do too that show you aren't actually participating in this conversation like putting math in quotation marks. As if using the listed percentages in a formula isn't actual math. You're not gaining any points with anybody by discrediting math. Get over yourself man. You can't even take apart my rebuttals, so you resort to personal insults. I ignored nothing about Chopper attacking on my turn 1/ (1 * .3 * .6 * .25) = 22.2222. He reduces ID's cd on average one out of every 22 or 23 droid attacks. That goes for all other droids too. 1 out of every 22 or 23 droid attacks he reduces their cooldowns. It's roughly every 5 or 6 attacks that he reduces a cooldown at all. It's not a very significant figure. The fact that he attacks during your turn instead of the enemy's doesn't constitute a large advantage. Your droids can not possibly go fast enough for him to reduce ID's cd any faster than K2 does since he will assist less than 1 in 3 droid attacks, which means you'd have to go 3 times to the enemy's 1 in order to actually do so.

K2 will not be stopped from countering by stealth because IPD is going to wipe stealth from the enemy before their R2 goes (unless they are also running 4 droids under JTR).

All of your points against what I am saying are simply not true. I have proven them wrong repeatedly. Disprove my rebuttals instead of just repeating yourself or you are just plain wrong, period.

Haha that's exactly what I thought you would say since you have posted the same thing over and over and over. You know EVERYTHING! We get it! Go ahead and declare yourself winner! Bwahahahahah!

Funny, how I actually addressed your points and you (again) didn't address mine. Looks like you just declared me the winner too.

You should spend more time gearing up some characters and less time talking about things you have never tried.

You should spend less time coming into threads to sling mud instead of actually talking about the discussion at hand.

When this is all over I will still have a great roster, great mods, extensive experience, and respect from people who know me and have seen what I can do. You will still have experience with exactly one tank and you better hope the meta doesn't change soon or you will be in serious trouble with your roster.

And you continue to use personal attacks against me instead of talking about the discussion at hand even though a moderator said not to do so 3 posts ago.

Do you have any plans to address my rebuttals?