The end of critical damage mod sets?

"Rosstheboss89;c-1906299" wrote:
But it’s a fixed 42% percent on a fixed base percentage. Where as, as offense goes up the 15% is based off of a higher stat. Maybe it doesn’t make much difference, I’m not certain but first look suggested to be offense is better to go with now than CD.

Are you trolling or something ?

"Atzel;c-1906301" wrote:

"Rosstheboss89;c-1906299" wrote:
But it’s a fixed 42% percent on a fixed base percentage. Where as, as offense goes up the 15% is based off of a higher stat. Maybe it doesn’t make much difference, I’m not certain but first look suggested to be offense is better to go with now than CD.

Are you trolling or something ?

No, he just has a better understanding of maths than you do

"EduardoCadav;c-1906303" wrote:

"Atzel;c-1906301" wrote:

"Rosstheboss89;c-1906299" wrote:
But it’s a fixed 42% percent on a fixed base percentage. Where as, as offense goes up the 15% is based off of a higher stat. Maybe it doesn’t make much difference, I’m not certain but first look suggested to be offense is better to go with now than CD.

Are you trolling or something ?

No, he just has a better understanding of maths than you do

So 42% CD is fixed and doesnt scale ? I Thought 42% more damage of 100 scales different than 42% more damage of 200 . I guess i am outmatched by you great mathematicians. I bow to your greatness masters

I guess I don't understand how CD is calculated either. Isn't CD calculated as a multiplier of offense? So if your offense increases, so does your CD?

"Rosstheboss89;d-208288" wrote:
On a g13 character crit damage seems pointless, as an offense set would boost the damage a lot more. My HK for example at g13 has over 5300 physical damage. Does anyone still use critical damage sets?

Well, nobody should be using a CD set on HK anyway since his AOE can't crit. He already should have been an offense set anyway, even before G13.

"DarthJarX2;c-1906325" wrote:
I guess I don't understand how CD is calculated either. Isn't CD calculated as a multiplier of offense? So if your offense increases, so does your CD?

So the easy answer is "it's complicated". You need to take account of the character's base damage, crit chance, crit damage, offense added from gear in unfinished gear levels, offense added from primary and secondary stats on mods, in battle modifiers of crit chance/crit damage/offense/crit avoidance from leaderships uniques and buffs etc.

The point is though that CD from mods is additive to a base of 150% which then multiplies the offense including any changes from mods.

If you had a CD of 200% then the 15% from an offense set adds 30% to the damage of your attack. With a CD triangle you get 192% CD so your offense set would add 28.8% damage to every attack. The CD set adds 30% but only on critical hits.

The increase in offense going to g13 doesn't actually make a difference, what does is that the offense set now includes all the flat offense from the g12 gear pieces that were previously only made use of by the CD set. This lowered the crit chance break point for a CD set on a g12+5 character. For a g13 character the CC break point is typically much higher.

All in all there are a lot of characters where the average damage is higher using an offense set. There are some characters where the average damage is still higher for a CD set but typically it's only a marginal gain. You have to look at every character on a case by case basis though. And the CD triangle is still the best on the vast majority of characters.

If it's HK, offense. If it's Marauder, CD. If it's GG, health with a CD triangle (more bang for your buck than a health triangle).

"DarthJarX2;c-1906325" wrote:
I guess I don't understand how CD is calculated either. Isn't CD calculated as a multiplier of offense? So if your offense increases, so does your CD?

CD kicks in as a multiplier of physical/special damage, not offense.

P/S damage is calculated:

AbilityMultiplier
*
{

+ linear offenseMods
+ linearOffenseUnfinishedGearTier
}
*
{
leadershipOffense%Bonus
+ uniqueOffense%Bonus
+ buffOffense%Bonus
- debuffOffense%Malus
}


Then CD damage is calculated multiplying P/S damage by:

{
1.5
+ CD%set
+ CD%Mod
+ leadershipCD%Bonus
+ uniqueCD%Bonus
+ buffCD%Bonus
- debuffCD%Malus
}

Using % values as per one values -> 150%=1.50, 30%=0.30, 5.88%= 0.0588, etc...

G13 integrates the line "+ linearOffenseUnfinishedGearTier" into "Base P/S damage", allowing those linear adds to be multiplied by the offense%Mods and offense%Set.

Offense set if character:
-doesnt/can't crit hit.
-primarialy uses SPECIAL damage.

Crit damage set if character:
-can crit/good crit chance.
-uses PHYSICAL damage.

That's basically it. If you look in the stats of a character you'll see the physical damage # is lower than the special damage number. But the physical damage crit chance is higher than the special damage crit chance. So...physical damage is lower damage/higher crit chance and special damage is higher damage/lower crit chance. Grand master yoda uses(should be) an offence set. Ezra's uses a crit damage set.

And before someone jumps in with an exception, YES there are some situations where either will work. My explanation is intended to help people understand the principles.

"bisto_760;c-1906351" wrote:
Offense set if character:
-doesnt/can't crit hit.
-primarialy uses SPECIAL damage.

Crit damage set if character:
-can crit/good crit chance.
-uses PHYSICAL damage.

That's basically it. If you look in the stats of a character you'll see the physical damage # is lower than the special damage number. But the physical damage crit chance is higher than the special damage crit chance. So...physical damage is lower damage/higher crit chance and special damage is higher damage/lower crit chance. Grand master yoda uses(should be) an offence set. Ezra's uses a crit damage set.

And before someone jumps in with an exception, YES there are some situations where either will work. My explanation is intended to help people understand the principles.

Why does whether the primary attack is special or physical matter for crit damage versus offense sets? Is it just because of the different crit chances?